Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: ceamboy on January 15, 2014, 06:34:22 PM
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Our manager !, Does he ever watch any of these signings before he brings them to york street aka jakemans stadium, Evans when manager got through scores of players, but at least most of his signing were better players than the ones that went out the exit door, not like what happened last sat when our manager brought in a player forward who was not as good as a player who he had only let go on loan to K/Lynn a day or two previous, ok C Sanders might not be the finished article, but at least C Sanders is physical up front, he can put himself about, which is what you want in this crap league, for proof look how successful N/Ferriby are, they don't play like a load of fairies, at the moment D Greene brings a player in on the saturday, come sunday that player as gone, how the hell is a team to gel together if players are in and out like yo-yo's, he should have seen by this time in the season what players are not up to it, and where the team needs strengthening to push for at least a play-off place come april / may, he should have seen by now the need for a experienced hard tackling midfielder who wins the ball from the opposing team, and a centre forward with strength and power to support R Miller and M Newsham up front, if not this team will finish no higher than 8th or 9th in the league this season, I hope I am wrong with my prediction for the end of season, but resent activities in the transfer market as left me very despondent about the teams play-off hopes. I know I shall get a load of disapproval posts from posters saying injuries and suspensions have caused D G to grab at straws in the transfer market, but surely the players you know are better than the players you don't know, are they really as good as their CVs show?.
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Our manager !, Does he ever watch any of these signings before he brings them to york street aka jakemans stadium, Evans when manager got through scores of players, but at least most of his signing were better players than the ones that went out the exit door, not like what happened last sat when our manager brought in a player forward who was not as good as a player who he had only let go on loan to K/Lynn a day or two previous, ok C Sanders might not be the finished article, but at least C Sanders is physical up front, he can put himself about, which is what you want in this crap league, for proof look how successful N/Ferriby are, they don't play like a load of fairies, at the moment D Greene brings a player in on the saturday, come sunday that player as gone, how the hell is a team to gel together if players are in and out like yo-yo's, he should have seen by this time in the season what players are not up to it, and where the team needs strengthening to push for at least a play-off place come april / may, he should have seen by now the need for a experienced hard tackling midfielder who wins the ball from the opposing team, and a centre forward with strength and power to support R Miller and M Newsham up front, if not this team will finish no higher than 8th or 9th in the league this season, I hope I am wrong with my prediction for the end of season, but resent activities in the transfer market as left me very despondent about the teams play-off hopes. I know I shall get a load of disapproval posts from posters saying injuries and suspensions have caused D G to grab at straws in the transfer market, but surely the players you know are better than the players you don't know, are they really as good as their CVs show?.
I would guess he had not watched those last minute signings that played on Saturday , importantly they were non-contract i e no pay-off .
To be fair many of Evans signings only lasted one match , and one reputed to have cost £12k only played a part in one pre-season friendly . More importantly some of the players released by Evans cost the club a furtune in pay-offs .
Re : N Ferriby is has been well documented on here and in the media other clubs in this league cannot compete with NF wages .
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He also only had 9 players on Thursday night so was not able to be too choosy.
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I see Sanders has been mentioned. He just isn't up to the job at first team level as we all saw during his last outing. Got out muscled all the time and didn't seem to know where to be or what to do. Good move to ship him to Kings Lynn. Can't criticise the manager, no one would have anticipated the problems he's facing at the moment. Lets hope our injuries are soon over. Get behind the team on Saturday.
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He also only had 9 players on Thursday night so was not able to be too choosy.
Were the debutants on Saturday any worse than the bunch of players which Graham Drury recruited? At least under Dennis they were only here on a one-game emergency basis rather than bedded in for the rest of the season.
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They were worse than anything Drury served up. I would have rather had Sanders playing than the Gambian lad we put in.
In fact, we have a reserve side ? Surely one or two of them must be good enough to at least get on the bench when times are tough.
DL
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I don't no why DRURY keeps comeing up. but what I do remember when DRURY left it was his team that won the next 3 games.(without conceding may I had)
those 3 games kept us in this leage for sure. ;) ;)
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I don't no why DRURY keeps comeing up. but what I do remember when DRURY left it was his team that won the next 3 games.(without conceding may I had)
those 3 games kept us in this leage for sure. ;) ;)
Obvious then! He couldnt manage and the players knew that aswell!
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we agree on one thing then,, the players were okay for those 3 games and on the strength of those performances GREENE got the job.
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I don't no why DRURY keeps comeing up. but what I do remember when DRURY left it was his team that won the next 3 games.(without conceding may I had)
those 3 games kept us in this leage for sure. ;) ;)
Why didn't they win games while Drury (not sure why you capitalise his name) was in charge?
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I don't no why DRURY keeps comeing up. but what I do remember when DRURY left it was his team that won the next 3 games.(without conceding may I had)
those 3 games kept us in this leage for sure. ;) ;)
Why didn't they win games while Drury (not sure why you capitalise his name) was in charge?
Son of :bunny
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
Voice of reason ....well said BG
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The 'lad from Corby' was on trial (training) with the club last season.
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I think it’s unfair to criticise Greene for not seeing the players he brought in on Friday – it’s obvious he had to call in a few favours from contacts and just get bodies on board in so he could at least field a team. When you find out you’re down to nine players on a Thursday before a game, it’s not like you’re going to be in a ProZone suite with an army of football statisticians poring over video clips of prospective signings is it?
However, having said that, like Daniel I am a bit surprised none of our reserves were considered for selection. I would have thought a situation like Thursday’s is precisely why you have a reserve side in the first place? Judging by the performances of some of the new players at Hednesford, I find it hard to believe the lads in the second team would have done a worse job. We should have rolled back the clock and given some of the more nostalgic United fans a treat by giving Joby Gowshall a game…!
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Looking at DG's signings throughout the season, there have been more hits than misses
Ashley Timms: Partial hit - did well in the early season lost his way somewhat
Lewis King: Hit - good shot stopper
Peter Bore: Partial hit - did well in the early season lost his place & moved on
Stefan Galinski: Hit - still young Centre-half - good back-up
Scott Garner: Hit - Top class Centre-half for CN
Liam Marrs: Hit - good attacking fullback
Carl Piergianni: Hit - Top class Centre-half for CN
Netan Sansara: Partial hit - did well in the early season lost his place and was shipped off
Rene Steer: Hit - good attacking fullback
Gary Mills: Miss - never fit & moved on
Indy Aujla: Hit - good midfielder for CN
Jake Hall: Partial hit - did well in the early on, travelling obviously took its toll
Ricky Miller: Hit - half the season gone and already into double figures
I think given time DG has brought together a good group of players, it will be interesting to see how Dixon, McGhee, Agnew & Semps get on in the coming weeks.
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
What is the point of your reserve team?
If you can't utilise the asset when it is needed, why bother?
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There was 2 reserve teamers on the bench, one came on so that is something.
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
What is the point of your reserve team?
If you can't utilise the asset when it is needed, why bother?
Whats it got to do with you? Worry about your own team and floodlights!!!
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
What is the point of your reserve team?
If you can't utilise the asset when it is needed, why bother?
It's run a little different to a normal reserves team, in my view for the right reasons. It gives local lads the chance to be in the club and exposure to possibly make the first team. A traditional reserve team is non playing first team players with less of a gulf between the two.
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One reason for not picking the reserves last Saturday might have been the possible detrimental long-term effects on their confidence. DG might have thought we were going to get pasted and so preferred to sign new, short-term players (whose long-term careers are immaterial to us) rather than go with the young lads from the reserves, who we have invested quite a lot of time in and wouldn't want to rush into the side.
For example, Ricky Drury never really recovered from the garbage that was Vauxhall Motors away last season whereas 4-0 defeat probably didn't have that much effect on the on-loan Forest left back (sorry can't be arsed looking up his name - Jack someone?) as he wasn't going to stay with us anyway.
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
What is the point of your reserve team?
If you can't utilise the asset when it is needed, why bother?
To prepare players, by definition that aren't deemed good enough or ready for the first team and to allow those first teamers who perhaps have been on the bench for a few weeks or coming back from injury to get match sharpness or to blood youngsters in a more competitive environment that youth football.
As for your point about utilising an asset, surely again by definition its only an asset if those 'reserve' players are good enough when called upon to like for like replace some in the first team. Without payment, reserves at our level can't be described or utilised in the same way they may be at full time professional clubs and to suggest they could is folly sir.
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I mentioned this before, and imo there is no way he would have seen the Gambian lad play before, and probably not seen the lad from Corby, but before we criticise DG in this instance, we really do have to consider the unique circumstances he found himself in on the Friday, which left him little option but to take a punt on a few players, okay it was punt that didn't work, but I cant see what else he could do
What is the point of your reserve team?
If you can't utilise the asset when it is needed, why bother?
To prepare players, by definition that aren't deemed good enough or ready for the first team and to allow those first teamers who perhaps have been on the bench for a few weeks or coming back from injury to get match sharpness or to blood youngsters in a more competitive environment that youth football.
As for your point about utilising an asset, surely again by definition its only an asset if those 'reserve' players are good enough when called upon to like for like replace some in the first team. Without payment, reserves at our level can't be described or utilised in the same way they may be at full time professional clubs and to suggest they could is folly sir.
The original point was why have a reserve set up if the players aren't good enough (even in a crisis?)
Why aren't first team squad players playing for the reserves? ( eg If Timms is still under contract, keep him match fit, for when you need him)
Trinity don't have a reserve team, but they utilise the under19's squad (Lacey, Karkach, Park, Batty and Wisdom-Lockwood have all appeared this season) all still a bit raw, but with potential
Not folly at all, sir
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The point I was referring to as 'folly' was for clubs at our level to expect simply by virtue of having a reserve team to expect it to be of the standard accpetable to move straight up into the first team, however much we hope they would be.
I agree with your point that Timms, Mills, and before they come back into the first team, SWD and Fairclough should indeed turn out for the reserves, more so if they under contract, and certainly to fill the bench at the very least the reserves and in fact the youth team should be made good use of. The fact that DG chose not to do so you have to respect even though after watching that CF last week who was worse than dire, it makes you wonder how good or bad some must be doesn't it?
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Dennis must have read this thread.
Just said "I know the fans don't think we watch them but we do watch them" when discussing the 2 new signings on bbc radio lincs
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I'm sure most signings are watched. I think people would forgive him if he hadn't watched any of last week's emergency signings though, if that was indeed the case. Mitigating circumstances and all that.