Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: kingofnaves on September 26, 2009, 07:39:53 PM
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Any ideas?
clarke?
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what makes you think any one will be leaving kon
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did you hear the manager on the radio tonight?
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no i didnt been at work since 5ish sounds like i missed something enlighten me if you like
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no i didnt been at work since 5ish sounds like i missed something enlighten me if you like
listen hear
http://twitter.com/scottydalton
No messing some will be on the way out ! Not good enough.
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you have to have the right mix. too light weight.
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AT least Scott seems to have held his hands up re: getting it wrong with some of the new squad .
Maybe having 2 managers is starting to feel like a drag rather than a plus..?
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no i didnt been at work since 5ish sounds like i missed something enlighten me if you like
listen hear
http://twitter.com/scottydalton
No messing some will be on the way out ! Not good enough.
thanks for that sp but unfortunately am restricted to what i can access at work and twitter is one
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10 games or so without releasing players......keep up will you!!!
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keep clarke, hes our best striker...
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How many players has Heggs moved out Linnet?
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Well we're nearly at 30 players already...but 5 medoum to long term injuries in that lot!
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i have a feeling suarez will be let go + maybe for some strange reason cully
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Find myself agreeing with U.. B-T ..
Also has the likes of Cotton been setting the world on fire..?
Must make room for a big ..inspirational player at or near the back..
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Maybe a dummy has been spat somewhere. If it relates to today it could be Clarke or Cully as Clarke might have not liked being subbed again or Cully may have had words about his sending off.
Can't see it being Evans, although he is the one making the mistakes at the moment.
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I think they realise some of the players are not up to their exspectations .
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Well he ( Evans) did seem to try and punch the corner ( goal ) to day which is more than he did v Bursco
I think goalies are judged by their mistakes rather than their heroics .
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Goal keepers are always gonna make mistakes if half there mind is thinking,were ever put this ball its comming ack at me, 0 confidence throu out the teamat the mo.
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yes B' shire....pass me the Batemans ...
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I think they realise some of the players are not up to their exspectations .
That is always going to happen, they put together 15 players and didn't really raid their old club much so there was always going to be players that they had seen only a couple of times that don't really fit the bill.
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How they mould the team from here will depict the direction our season takes.
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Think I read something like .. the lower the League .. the faster the turnover of players
Suits me .
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First out? - Rob Scott.
Why? - Becuase compromise will always lead to weakness. One of them needs to step ahead of the other to create a proper management structure, headed up by one person who will make the final decision.
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Personally,I think it could be any out of; Clarke,Cotton,Kennedy,Suarez and Davidson.All have struggled for various reasons to make an impact,and to me it's up front that needs the most attention.
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Seeing as our season is over anyway, I'd basically get rid of anyone we contractually can without paying them off and just stick the youth team in.
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Seeing as our season is over anyway, I'd basically get rid of anyone we contractually can without paying them off and just stick the youth team in.
;D
Out of interest, who out of those hell bent in saying the two manager system doesn't work were speaking out at the time of their appointment?
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Personally,I think it could be any out of; Clarke,Cotton,Kennedy,Suarez and Davidson.All have struggled for various reasons to make an impact,and to me it's up front that needs the most attention.
IMO a little unfair to single out all of the above players,why, I personally think due to
the Management swopping and changing his forward line game after game with the
exception of Newsham ? they have continually asked some of them to play in an alien
position and have not given them time to form any sought of relationship with who ever
they select.We all except that this is a results buisness and games are won by scoring
goals something we are failing to acheive at present.Another thread as touched on our
wingers not getting involved in play,they are not likely to do that when the ball is being
continually hoofed in the air to two big forwards who at times are not up to the mark.
Newsham has not been mentioned in the wake of a possible cull but he is another one
for me that isn't pulling up many trees,the new guy signed signed from Alfreton last
week we will withhold judgement on for the time being but his credentials in the goal
scoring department doesn't take my breath away ! one thing for sure though, I don't
think he's another Daryl Clare..
So given consideration to who goes and who stays maybe the Management duo will
carefully consider every member of the squad as I think it's not only the forward line
that should be shouldering all the adverse blame for lacklustre performances we have
been witnessing over the past few games.
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Good stop-gap defender would be Simon Weaver who may be available very shortly.
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Would be good ..and get Ollie Ryan back as well
Let at least Newsham and Suarez and Cotton go ..
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weaver for player manager ???
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Ryan are you joking?
the 3 players who Welsh had on his wanted list-Clarke,Cotton and Camm!
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Well he aint played for these 2.. and could respond better
And thats naughty . kon..!
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Ryan no longer lives nearby!Hes moved up north to be with his girlfriend.Any way our money wasnt good enough for him!
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O I remember when we had forwards who knocked goals in for fun .. in the old N.P.L.
Even old baldies like George Maclean..
Y 's it so difficult to score and win these days . ?
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O I remember when we had forwards who knocked goals in for fun .. in the old N.P.L.
Even old baldies like George Maclean..
Y 's it so difficult to score and win these days . ?
No real,consistant reliable quality in the final third and in my opinion our goal shy forward
line are feeding off of bits and what bits do come their way they are snatching at in fear
of not getting themselves another opportunity...........Simple!
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Why do people want former players to come back ???
What we need is some experience through the spine of the team.
A defender and midfielder with Conference or League Two experience in their late 20`s,early 30`s and a prolific goalscorer who has scored at top levels of non-league football. We must be generating some reasonable income with our decent attendances to get these lads in so lets go for it and get some better players in instead of lower league boys !
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so lets go for it and get some better players in!
Thats the sort of attitude that got us in this league in the first place
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Personally,I think it could be any out of; Clarke,Cotton,Kennedy,Suarez and Davidson.All have struggled for various reasons to make an impact,and to me it's up front that needs the most attention.
IMO a little unfair to single out all of the above players,why, I personally think due to
the Management swopping and changing his forward line game after game with the
exception of Newsham ? they have continually asked some of them to play in an alien
position and have not given them time to form any sought of relationship with who ever
they select.We all except that this is a results buisness and games are won by scoring
goals something we are failing to acheive at present.Another thread as touched on our
wingers not getting involved in play,they are not likely to do that when the ball is being
continually hoofed in the air to two big forwards who at times are not up to the mark.
Newsham has not been mentioned in the wake of a possible cull but he is another one
for me that isn't pulling up many trees,the new guy signed signed from Alfreton last
week we will withhold judgement on for the time being but his credentials in the goal
scoring department doesn't take my breath away ! one thing for sure though, I don't
think he's another Daryl Clare..
So given consideration to who goes and who stays maybe the Management duo will
carefully consider every member of the squad as I think it's not only the forward line
that should be shouldering all the adverse blame for lacklustre performances we have
been witnessing over the past few games.
I don't disagree with much of what you say sparks.My reasons for mentioning those players in particular were based partly on opinion,and partly on observation.In terms of opinion i personally don't think either Suarez or Davidson look productive in terms of being prolific goalscorers,on top of that when either or both play we seem to be a bit one dimensional,ie just lumping it forward to the big man rather than getting the ball down and playing.My choice of the other three(Clarke,Cotton and Kennedy) was based more on observation.It seems to me that whenever a performance is poor,they seem to be the first to be dropped,or,if they play,are the first to be subbed off.I actually think all three have plenty of potential but perhaps the managers aren't getting the best out of them.I would agree with your comment about Newsham as well.The fact is,we are under performing all over the pitch at the moment,we're missing Canners influence and the whole team is lacking confidence.As i said in a previous thread,H&S have had non-stop success in their short time as managers.Now they are getting their first taste of tough times.We will see how they deal with it...............
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When Cotton came we expected him to shine----not done it for me I'm afraid.
Suarez not quick enough.
There, thats my 10 pence worth. Ooops, one final observation. 8 games. 1 win, and that was against Loughborough.
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I must watch different games to most becouse my personnal opion is when our midfeild is on song they tear teams apart. the defence can be water tight when confident. Newsham id keep becouse i think he is the poacher and in fairness all teams need a poacher, I havnt seen anuth of the big guys to tell me its working out, clarks work throu out the team is unbeleivable,
sorry for the big guys lover but they have to change. I always say,have for years and will probely say for many more years, playing a target man makes long ball look to much of a easy option.
Get rid f the big guys and force the the bloody ball to be kept down.
We play some really god stuff on the floor and at times we have made the other defence look out of place.
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The only players at the minute who look poor to me are Mikel and woody other the team still look strong just need a player that will lighten up the game!
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The only players at the minute who look poor to me are Mikel and woody other the team still look strong just need a player that will lighten up the game!
Suarez was man of the match by a country mile in our only decent recent result (@ BPA) so its a bit harsh to single him out.
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I'm with OCM on the players who are at risk.
Even after the first 5 games when we where winning I have been saying to friends that we are lacking something up front. For me Clarke, Suarez and Davidson are too similar. All tall, big and strong and good in the air (well that's the theory). Each has positives:
Clarke seems the best in the air and his overall play and workrate is the best of the 3, his big problem is he seems to be a confidence player and he does seem to be lacking it at the moment so is missing the chances when they come along.
Davidson despite his size is poor in the air, he has the strength to hold off the opposition but his touch is very poor, a plus is he does put his chances away when the come along.
Suarez is good in the air but more often than not his headers have no direction, IMO he has the best touch of the 3 but he is a bit lightweight and there is a question mark over his scoring ability.
So this leads me to say at least 1 of these will be let go, Clarke for me doesn't look happy so maybe he is the 1 RS is talking about being unhappy at the club ??? Newsham offers something different so I don't think he'll be 1 of the players leaving. If we lose 1 or possibly 2 of these I'd like to see a Ricky Miller type player, someone who can poach goals and has that enery and buzz about his play. We certainly need something that is different, yesterday it was painfully apparent when Davidson and Suarez came on that they both played the same game and the 2 tall centre backs won everything in the air against them.
As well as these I'd probably say Cotton and/or Kennedy have failed to make any sort of impact. For me it'll be a minimum of 2 of these up to a maximum of 4. Defence looks strong and the middle 3 of Camm/Church/Sleath is good. That's my 2p worth anyway.
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We,ve done the easy bit having told S&H who to discard , any idea who to replace them with?
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I feel sorry for players like Clarke, and Cotton, who like a couple of others appears to be viewd a bit expediently by the management when it comes to the 'who to drop' question.
Cant question his work rate, but as someone touched on a few posts ago, when confidence is low, especially for keepers and forwards and the pressure of not knowing if when and for how long you're going to be on the pitch as keepers ponder when to come and when to stay, so too do forwards when to shoot and when to take an extra touch , and they end up doing neither
I would be tempted to give the boy at least three games on the pitch, decide on who his partner will be and see what happens. Starting with the whipping boys saturday, for surely whoever plays up front is going to gain some confidence when the ball hits the back of the net
For the future?
Without a doubt, pick two biggies and bring in a small one to play with one of them, or for that matter bring in two small ones. Two biggies as is clearly proven thus far, very rarely works, and it certainly doesn't for us at the moment
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Ditch the 2 big guys, so we are forces to find a man instead of airplanes.... simple, for anyone that cant see it. if boston played the ball on the floor they would be top by a stretch just look at the fact in the game.
65 min against fc, against kendal most of the retford game and 1st half against lowestoft. in these periods we played on the floor and althou we didnt make to manny chances they were cutting chances.(lets ot forget retford and lowestoft are tight on giving goals away). So what happen we all ask.......... we throw on the big guys and lump it to them and only at this point we start thinking that we dont even look like scoring.
Ditch the big guy so the others (tom e just as guilty)realise there aint no heads in the sky to hit.
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I feel sorry for players like Clarke, and Cotton, who like a couple of others appears to be viewd a bit expediently by the management when it comes to the 'who to drop' question.
Cant question his work rate, but as someone touched on a few posts ago, when confidence is low, especially for keepers and forwards and the pressure of not knowing if when and for how long you're going to be on the pitch as keepers ponder when to come and when to stay, so too do forwards when to shoot and when to take an extra touch , and they end up doing neither
I would be tempted to give the boy at least three games on the pitch, decide on who his partner will be and see what happens. Starting with the whipping boys saturday, for surely whoever plays up front is going to gain some confidence when the ball hits the back of the net
For the future?
Without a doubt, pick two biggies and bring in a small one to play with one of them, or for that matter bring in two small ones. Two biggies as is clearly proven thus far, very rarely works, and it certainly doesn't for us at the moment
Which boy are you talking about? Clarke I presume. I like him as a player and once he gets a couple and some confidence then he'll be an asset. Trouble is how long do you give him? Yes it's still early days but every game we don't score we slip further behind the top 6. Personally out of the 3 he is the 1 I'd keep.
As for Cotton he has a lot of pace but hasn't put in enough quality crosses. The way we have been playing (hitting it long) hasn't helped wide players like Cotton and Sleath but on Saturday it was Sleath who was getting a fair bit of joy down the left while Cotton struggled on the right against Adam Smith, if he wants to make it at this level he needs to be getting the better of players like Smith who was quite poor when he played for us a couple of seasons ago.
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Got to agree with Bostonshire. We have played some darn good football on the ground. Second half against retford was a good example. Playing the big guys just encourages the long ball, we lose possession and the ball comes storming back. Afetr Retford game I got the impression the management were trying to get a good footballing side together who will outplay the opposition but without a finisher its worthless.
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Got to agree with Bostonshire. We have played some darn good football on the ground. Second half against retford was a good example. Playing the big guys just encourages the long ball, we lose possession and the ball comes storming back. Afetr Retford game I got the impression the management were trying to get a good footballing side together who will outplay the opposition but without a finisher its worthless.
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I think we have just answered the question of who should be shown the door and who
remains a pilgrim player for the time being that is.
If for example the second half defeat against Retford was an example of how we want
us to play let us all take a long hard look at the players who finished the game.Get the
training ground work and ethics right,produce that work and tactics into a game then I
think we'll find our finisher, let us not loose sight of the fact that these players are of
course Managed!!!........
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I think Clarkie should definitely be sent back where he belongs.....................Grantham! ::)
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If i was the managers i would get rid of Evans, Clarke and Suarez
Definetly not get rid of DD
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forgot we definitely need to get rid of Wood
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No news on the OS for two days has it ben gagged ?
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No news on the OS for two days has it ben gagged ?
I almost had the same thoughts
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Logically the only players that may be parting company are those without a contract. Particuarly in this current climate, the club cannot afford to pay up the contracts of anyone, which will have to happen, unless some mutual agreement can be made
Not only that if the managers wanted to let a contracted player it would be a pretty damning verdict of their judgement wouldn't it?
It would be like admitting they signed shite players, cant see that happening at all.
Who will be leaving?
Look to the non contracted players first, thats for sure. The question is who is and who isn't on contracts?
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Logically the only players that may be parting company are those without a contract. Particuarly in this current climate, the club cannot afford to pay up the contracts of anyone, which will have to happen, unless some mutual agreement can be made
Not only that if the managers wanted to let a contracted player it would be a pretty damning verdict of their judgement wouldn't it?
It would be like admitting they signed shite players, cant see that happening at all.
Who will be leaving?
Look to the non contracted players first, thats for sure. The question is who is and who isn't on contracts?
Ithink you will find they have already held there hands up and admitting to sighning a few wrong players.