Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: dazzybabie on May 04, 2011, 09:00:25 AM
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I was stunned hearing Chris Cook on the commentry last night. He may be a record goal scorer and all round hero to the club, but to actually say that after the goal that Guiseley scored that boston should calm down and settle down, and take the 1 nil.
WTF? This is a director of the club, who advocates his own club losing in a end of season play off game!!!!
I dont have a football bone in my body, i have never played competively, never been a groundsman nor have i been all time record goal scorer, but at no point can i imagine a situation where i would actually encurage my team to lose.
I think that it was about the most stupid thing i have ever heard in relation to a football match.
What will cookies comments be if we go one down on sunday? Dont worry lads, theres always next year...
Tragic
Dazzybabie
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I was stunned hearing Chris Cook on the commentry last night. He may be a record goal scorer and all round hero to the club, but to actually say that after the goal that Guiseley scored that boston should calm down and settle down, and take the 1 nil.
WTF? This is a director of the club, who advocates his own club losing in a end of season play off game!!!!
I dont have a football bone in my body, i have never played competively, never been a groundsman nor have i been all time record goal scorer, but at no point can i imagine a situation where i would actually encurage my team to lose.
I think that it was about the most stupid thing i have ever heard in relation to a football match.
What will cookies comments be if we go one down on sunday? Dont worry lads, theres always next year...
Tragic
Dazzybabie
In Chris's defence I would say at that time we looked like we could concede every time they attacked so I think he might have meant damage limitation and go again on Sunday. I didn't hear the commentary I was at the match but I would guess that is what he meant.
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Sounds like an over reaction by you!! To me sounds like he was saying for us not to go all out for an equalizer and leave ourselves exposed to concede another!! Which to be honest could have easily happened!! To turn round a 1-0 deficit is achievable more than that would have been a very big ask!
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Cheers Dazzybabe, my comment was to calm down and not concede a second goal which would have given us an even bigger hill to climb on Sunday. We were under the cosh big time and I just wanted my team to calm down. It is only half time, but I have every confidence in the lads that they can turn it round.
At the end of the day it is all about personal opinions, I have mine and you have yours. As for me wanting the club to lose ...are you joking or what, I want this club to be where they belong and I work hard voluntarily to try and help achieve that.
I don't profess to being a professional commentator and do it voluntarily but as not to bring myself or the club into repute I will step down from doing it. Obviously I don't know a great deal about football so I am better off keeping my mouth shut!
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At one point during the second half they had chances to get a second so his comments were relevant.
Disgraceful Director? No,a director that just won an award for the amount of free hours and hard work he gives to the club.
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Cookie. This prat wasn't even there!!!!!!!!!!
If he knew anything about football ( which he says he doesn't) then he needs to keep his mouth shut.
How he has the cheek to come on here and say that, amazes me, and I am sure many others who follow United and football generally.
We had a bad spell in the second half when they really gave it there all, and I totally agree that it was necessary to contain them. It is still only halftime in a match of 180 minutes.
To even suggest that you are disgraceful director is almost blasphemous considering what you do for the club for no reward and I ask you to reconsider your decision.
Obviously he is a man of little knowledge (if any) and not someone to be taken seriously.
The man is a joke!!!!!!!!
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Chris Cook symbolises everything that is good about Boston United and I was also happy to bring them back to YS with only a goal in it. At 0-1 Guiseley looked the more likely side to score and were also getting every decision their way from the officials. Carry on the fantastic work you are doing for the club Chris.
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He still hasn't sorted out that tie though! ;D
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I knew exactly where you were coming from cookie, it sounded to me as if we could have easily conceded another last night.
That would effectivley been game over!
I would rather have a 1-0 deficit than 2-0.
This tie is still most definatley winnable, we need to be looking at Sunday now.
Come on pilgrims!!
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Dazzie,please engage your brain before approaching your keyboard in the future.At that point in the game we were 1-0 down,being pinned back ,and looked like we could conceed again.As someone has pointed out it's called damage limitation.What did you want?for us to go at it "gung-ho" and conceed a second and perhaps a third and render the second leg an impossiblity?Keep up the good work Cookie,we all know and appreciate what you do for Boston United Football Club.See you all Sunday,and lets make some NOISE.
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I think that it was about the most stupid thing i have ever heard in relation to a football match.
This post is so ironic it should be in an Alanis Morissette song. Dazzy are you actually a baby?
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I think you owe Chris Cook an apology for that post, Dazzy.
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dear god, if you went to the game you would know we were struggling against them. they were coming at us from all angles. 1-0 loss is better than a 2-0 loss which it possibly could be. the first half we should have taken our chances and i'm sure guiseley would have tried to defend more if they went 1-0 down. dazzy if you didnt go to the game you dont really know how we played. the second half wasnt the best but its only a 1-0 loss and alls to play for
now wheres cookies apology?
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Totally agree about an apology.
This is probably the most disgraceful post EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Cookie, should be water off a ducks back to you mate. You must of took some abuse from opposing fans whilst banging in 180 odd goals for this great club. Dont give up the commentary bit and you deserved your award for your mostly unseen work at the club. keep it up mate.
It seemed quite obvious to me that churchy was struggling with some sort of injury in the second half, after a first half when him and sleathy were excellent. Either he should of been subbed so clarke moved into the middle and cully at r/back. Other than that clarke moved into the middle to make three with a forward being subbed in both cases. Hindsights a wonderful thing but this semi-finals not over. This group of players dont give up, remember that. Niggling injuries may cost us but these players will go through the pain barrier for this club thats for sure.
COOKIE YOUR A LEGEND
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Cookie, that didn't deserve your time and effort in replying in all honesty. The vast majority of us know you're focused on the club moving forwards and want to progress on and off the pitch at every opportunity. In my opinion you should focus on continuing your brilliant work at the club and not waste any more time replying to rediculous accusations from people who show so much disrespect to your good self. You didn't recieve that award for nothing Cookie, you're a top bloke and a true asset to the club.
The tactics of insuring we didn't concede further goals were spot on. If Man Utd were playing away at Barca for example, and they were 1-0 down towards the end of the match, do you think Fergie would tell them to go all out for the win and jeopordise a possible home comeback. ::)
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Maybe Dazzy didn't realise that it was a two legged game which would back up her/his statement that he/she knows little about the great game of football. Maybe he/she should replace the vowel in her/his username for one a little more apt.
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Maybe Dazzy didn't realise that it was a two legged game which would back up her/his statement that he/she knows little about the great game of football. Maybe he/she should replace the vowel in her/his username for one a little more apt.
He doesn't know about football, so I would doubt he knows what a "vowel" is ;)
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To all the sheep....
No i dont know a thing about football much like the majority of people in the world that follow football. i am an uncertified unqualified armchair observer.
I am not in any way at all knocking the hard work or effort that Mr Cook puts in to the club, now, in the past or in the future. If it were not for the hard volentery and free work of the chairman, the board and the directors the club would not even be in a position to challenge for the play offs.
I took head of the comments Mr Cook made last night about The Chairman running a tight ship to make sure that everyone remains focused on pushing the club forward
I am not suggesting that Mr Cook is incapable of commentating on a match, i would not be able to do it and Mr Cooks vast experience in the game is invaluable when it comes to comentry, giving valuable insights into the tactics of the game, nor do intend to rubbish any of the hard work he has done.
It is a game of two halves, played over two legs, and that the team now has a chance to regroup and plan out how they are going to battle a team that will in effect be playing a 1 - 10 formation. I am however ASTOUNDED! that in such an important game it could be suggested that we should sit back and take a loss and cross our fingers that we can turn it over at home.
So to all of you who assume that i am a prat (Gus) baby (O CHO MEALLT ) prat (dave h) dizzy (pride of lincolnshire). I am none of these things, all of you are entitled to post your comments on tactics and players so i am doing the same. I think it was a dumbass thing to say. End off.
I will be there on sunday, along with the rest of you cheering the boys on. I just hope dearly that Mr Cooks, off the cuff, spur of the moment, based on being in the game for years haveing been there and done the job and knowing what he is talking about because he is a hard working devoted servent of the club dont bite him on his arse.
Dazzy
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Chris does a great job on commentary.He is not a professional media man but his interaction with Scott sums our club up....friendly,warm hearted and ALWAYS RESPECTFUL to the opposition.On occasion you get assholes on here who dont know their ass from their elbow like those who appear on UNITED LIVE!!...We love you Chris and keep up the BLOODY good work you do, as do the rest of the board do too!!!!!GREAT AMBASSASDOR FOR OUR GREAT CLUB!!!!
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....and on the subject matter itself a 1-0 reverse at an away 1st leg game is not a disaster.BOSTON at home in front of a big crowd on Sun will encourage an attacking option from the start.If BOSTON were only 1 up from the first leg after playing at home,what reaction on that.
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stop digging now dazzy or that hole your in will be too deep for you to get out of to be able to get to the game on sunday ::)
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It wasn’t only Chris thinking this, as soon as they got in front they went for the kill and some of us in the stands just wanted the whistle to blow and were at that point happy to take 1-0. Why? Because we were struggling to keep the ball, couldn’t get it cleared, and was defending like our lives depended on it - we could all see there was a bloody good chance it could go to 2 or 3 nil and the tie would have been over
On reflection whilst disappointing and not what we would have wanted 1-0 is a decent result given the pressure we were under in the second half, and is reversible with a good home performance, 2-0 would have finished the tie as we seem to struggle against the 10 men behind the ball approach. At 1-0 Guiseley cant afford to sit back, they need another before they shut up shop completely which makes the 1st half on sunday crucial to our progress.
Cookie's commentary is always honest and if honesty makes him a disgrace, i dread to think what you make of some our previous employees!
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I would have taken a 1-0 defeat first leg, perhaps even more than a 1-0 win. At least now we have an attack mentality on Sunday and will make a cracking game. 2-0 Sunday will do me. Mind you I do wonder where the goals will come from ???
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I only called you a prat because I didn't want to swear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for you, can't spell, use of English language is crap!!!!!!!
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY..............................WHERE IS THE APOLOGY????????????????
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Hmmm,
how dare i question a God?
It seems that a few people on here have brown stains round their ankles (work it out for yourselves)
To Mr Cook. I along with everyone else admire you to the highest order for everything that you do for the club, on the pitch and off, 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.
I just think that it is a bit odd to settle for a loss and put all your hopes in one basket, i do however bow to your greater knowledge, but i (in my opinion) disagree with what you said, which was the point in the first place.
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I only called you a prat because I didn't want to swear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for you, can't spell, use of English language is crap!!!!!!!
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY..............................WHERE IS THE APOLOGY????????????????
Well Gus not only have i annoyed you on a football level but on a spelling level as well. My opinon does not count as i cant spell?!?!?!
you dear sir a a hytr.
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I think it's quite clear that Dazzy is not dealing from a full deck. Go easy on him, folks.
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Hmmm,
how dare i question a God?
It seems that a few people on here have brown stains round their ankles (work it out for yourselves)
To Mr Cook. I along with everyone else admire you to the highest order for everything that you do for the club, on the pitch and off, 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.
I just think that it is a bit odd to settle for a loss and put all your hopes in one basket, i do however bow to your greater knowledge, but i (in my opinion) disagree with what you said, which was the point in the first place.
You still haven't grasped the meaning behind Cookies statement despite it being spelled out to you.. Did you want United to go hell for leather for an equaliser when we were under the cosh and could easily have let more goals in?? Did you want us to play on Sunday chasing a 3 or 4 goal deficit ?? No?? Well had we gone out as you wished then that may have happened,Chris was right in saying keep it tight and hold the one nil and see out the danger,then if the chance came to press Guiseley and grab an equaliser take it but for a spell last night it was damage limitation as Guiseley went for the jugular.. Now,do you understand ??
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Cookie you were excellent on commentary last night - most fans value what you have to say and the incredible work you do along with David and Neil.
You made a very sensible point after the goal went in - to go gung-ho in immediate search of an equaliser when the tie was only at half-time would of risked conceding again.
I'm at the match on Sunday otherwise I would happily listen to you on the radio again!
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Hmmm,
how dare i question a God?
It seems that a few people on here have brown stains round their ankles (work it out for yourselves)
To Mr Cook. I along with everyone else admire you to the highest order for everything that you do for the club, on the pitch and off, 25 hours a day, 8 days a week.
I just think that it is a bit odd to settle for a loss and put all your hopes in one basket, i do however bow to your greater knowledge, but i (in my opinion) disagree with what you said, which was the point in the first place.
You still haven't grasped the meaning behind Cookies statement despite it being spelled out to you.. Did you want United to go hell for leather for an equaliser when we were under the cosh and could easily have let more goals in?? Did you want us to play on Sunday chasing a 3 or 4 goal deficit ?? No?? Well had we gone out as you wished then that may have happened,Chris was right in saying keep it tight and hold the one nil and see out the danger,then if the chance came to press Guiseley and grab an equaliser take it but for a spell last night it was damage limitation as Guiseley went for the jugular.. Now,do you understand ??
I understand exactly what was being said.
Did you want United to go hell for leather for an equaliser when we were under the cosh and could easily have let more goals in? Yes. Because we could have also not let goals in but got goals.
This is what im so flabbergasted about. we let a goal in and it was assumed that we woulnt get any more in. I was around people when telford came and were 2 up at half time and folks were saying that we were doomed and gonna lose and we came back to win 3 - 2
I understand what was being said. I just dont agree with it which is what i said.
its not me thats the simple one
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Telford?
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Dazzy, if you'd have been at the game you'd have understood what Chris's comment meant. First half we where much the better side but critically didn't score whilst on top. Second half we looked tired and as the game wore on we got deeper and deeper and couldn't keep hold of the ball. The goal had been coming and the team didn't look like it had the energy to press Guiseley back for the equaliser.
It was a case of damage limitation (as has been pointed out already) and keeping it tight, whilst still trying to press for an equaliser. Guiseley where picking holes in our defence as it was had we gone all out there is no doubt they'd have hit us on the break and got a second (and possibly third or more).
Of course Chris (along with myself and every other Boston fan) are disappointed to lose the game but there is a second chance Sunday when the lads are less tired, with home advantage a 1-0 isn't irreversible, although I'd put Guiseley as favourites now. A lot could depend on who's fit, hopefully Dudfield will be (who's exceeded my expectations after so long out the game), he was the biggest miss for me last night.
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Telford!!!!!...it was Alfreton....pmsl....sums it up end of chat!!!!
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Telford!!!!!...it was Alfreton....pmsl....sums it up end of chat!!!!
Telford, Alfreton, whatever.... The point remains the same
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Oh Dear!!! Some people eh? ::)
Chris, please carry on with your commentary, most of us enjoy it. It is nice to hear a director involved in such a way, I can't imagine that many club directors would get involved in commentary, and so well done for that.
Just remember even BUFC royalty such as yourself can't please all of the people all of the time.
Hope you carry on.
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Disgraceful Director may not have been the best choice of words. It seems to have stirred up your emotions.
I have modifed the title, not that i think it will appease you all in anyway.
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PENNY DROPPED....
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I was at the match last night and would have prefered that we converted one of our chances in the first half,been given a penalty in the second,but the fact remains that Guiseley pressed,harried and closed us down more after this appeal was turned down,and we never really had a chance to hit them on the break,as they controlled the ball better than us towards the end of the game. I came away disappointed that we lost,
but pleased that we have a chance to re-group and maybe get the likes of Pearson,Dudfield and a fit Weir Daley tearing into them at Boston.So under the conditions we were faced with,damage limitations was our best option and Chris Cooks comments justified.
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Get the history books out and read about the Generals that have sounded the retreat to reform and lead their troops to a great TACTICAL victory.
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I have to admit that I listened to the bbc commentary and Cookie was definitely referring to damage limitation. It sounded as though we were under the cosh a bit and just had to guard against them getting a second goal. Surely no one could think he didn't care about us winning. He is obviously not a commentator and I have to admit that if my computer was working I would have switched them off and gone with Craigs efforts. I have to admit though that I wish he wouldn't keep saying "I have to admit".
Its almost as annoying as people saying "basically".
Believe it or not I am actually defending him. I'm sure he has a sense of humour, well I hope he has, he's almost bigger than me. ;)
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Good job I got up late .!.
Handbags away .
We aint Man U . . so don't lets lose any paying supporter through witchhunts on here .
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OK.
Your all right.
Im wrong, you are so perfect and correct in everything you say.
I wish had never posted anything in the first place
I wish i had never heard of boston united
i wish i had never been born
i wish that the world were a perfect place
i wish that a poverty ended
i wish bob geldof got a hair cut
i wish that my account is......
Bored now
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All this fuss about something that Cookie was 100% right on
and being told that hes a 'disgrace' for being honest.
charming coming from a person who didn't go to the game
i know not all can go away games for various reasons, but don't make a big deal of it if you don't know how the game actually panned out
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OK.
Your all right.
Im wrong, you are so perfect and correct in everything you say.
I wish had never posted anything in the first place
I wish i had never heard of boston united
i wish i had never been born
i wish that the world were a perfect place
i wish that a poverty ended
i wish bob geldof got a hair cut
i wish that my account is......
Bored now
to be honest you didn't go about your "argument" in the right way by naming a club legend a disgrace for having the same view as most supporters at the game last night. we lost all hold on the game and it felt like damage limitation.
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All this fuss about something that Cookie was 100% right on
Nail, Hammer, Head.
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I think everyone who was there would have settled for 1-0, especially after the way they battered us for most of the second half. Fantastic effort by Canners and Murphy against their giant forward, as I don't think either of them are fully match fit.
Can't believe any supporter would criticise us for giving ourselves a chance in the second leg - if we'd gone 2 down, that could have opened the floodgates and would have been game over.
Their no. 16 caused us so many problems - not the usual sort of Guiseley player as he is less than 6ft 5 and played football!
As Faraway Pilgrim said, I thought at the time that we should have put Cully on for Church at HT and moved Clarke to midfield, but can understand that we wanted to keep one of our talismanic players on the pitch.
It was definitely a penalty for handball - I was behind that goal so it was right in front of me. But, if he'd given that, you know he would have given a handball appeal they had a few minutes later when a cross was blocked, so I don't think we really lost out. Shame the original ref went off - he was letting the game flow, and not giving 'home' decisions.
No arguments about their goal or the result - just hope all our key players are fit again for Sunday.
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Have to say cookie's commentary was top notch as it always is, conisdering he's not a commentater to.
He does say "i must admit" alot though :P
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Have to say cookie's commentary was top notch as it always is, conisdering he's not a commentater to.
He does say "i must admit" alot though :P
John Motson beware ;) Well done Cookie
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Would have taken a 1-0 deficit before kick off and with how things panned out, more than happy to take our chances on Sunday. Our cards are marked, we have to go for it. What do they do? Attack and risk a pasting, defend and risk not having an answer if we get one?
In the words of the klaxons.....
It's not over yet
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I listened to the commentary and I am suprised that Cookies comment could be took out of context. I think 99% of PROFESSIONAL pundits would have made the same comment judging from the way the game appeared to be going , and 99% of the listeners would grasp exactly what he meant .
Just would like to add as stated on another thread me are luckier than most non-league teams with the media coverage we get, ( two local papers, Echo, Endeavour, Craigs Live text and Radio Lincs. + Look NORTH on TV.)
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Lets all have a team hug,we all want the same outcome...xx
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Just got back from sunny Skegness and hoped to see a direct apology to Cookie, from dazziebabe.
Answer: Bugger all!!!!!!!!!
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Half time I'd have been disappointed with a 1-0 loss. Full time I was more than happy with a 1-0 loss!
We lost the midfield early in the second half and struggled from there. They did seem a little tired but I'm not surprised by that given the fantastic efforts all season long.
Hopefully we will turn it round on Sunday, if we do great and if we don't it's not the end of the world. Another season being competitive in this league is no bad thing. Just hope there is a massive turn out on Sunday to cheer the lads on and give them as much support as possible.
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Chris, please carry on with your commentary, most of us enjoy it. It is nice to hear a director involved in such a way, I can't imagine that many club directors would get involved in commentary, and so well done for that.
Hope you carry on.
Agreed. Chris's presence on the radio gives our club some of the coverage it deserves. It gives the coverage more balance and a notion that we are listening to a County radio station. If Chris suddenly gives up, the risk is that BBC Radio Lincolnshire will look to fill the extra air-time with more pointless texts about Lincoln City and more interviews with everyone at Sincil Bank from the tea lady upwards.
Maybe interviews with the tea lady at Sincil Bank are a good thing though. She's the only one there who gets her hands on any cups.
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sooner listen to Cookie than Hortin any day!
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blimey , just like having that drunken old Rooster back posting for a day or two there lol
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blimey , just like having that drunken old Rooster back posting for a day or two there lol
I was thinking more Norfolk Townie?
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Think the issue is a classic one:
Take the comments out of context and there may appear very different from what was obviously intended.
::)
Just read the Lincoln Echo thread to see how interpretation works wonders .....
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Quite interesting how we can become United when attacked. The only positive thing to come out of this ridiculous post is the fighting spirit that has been displayed when a Boston legend is under threat. For what it's worth Cookie, you've always been and always will be a hero of mine, ignore the idiots do not stoop to their level. True supporters of the club know what you have done and are doing and hold you in the utmost respect. Now let's harness the spirit that's been displayed in this post and carry it to York Street on Sunday to help another 11 lads become legends in their own right.
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Quite interesting how we can become United when attacked. The only positive thing to come out of this ridiculous post is the fighting spirit that has been displayed when a Boston legend is under threat. For what it's worth Cookie, you've always been and always will be a hero of mine, ignore the idiots do not stoop to their level. True supporters of the club know what you have done and are doing and hold you in the utmost respect. Now let's harness the spirit that's been displayed in this post and carry it to York Street on Sunday to help another 11 lads become legends in their own right.
Well said that man or woman.