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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: green hats mate on August 29, 2016, 06:11:05 PM
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Only a matter of minutes before we have a demand for Greene to be sacked .
Now if previous demands are a guide the poster will have overlooked the obvious , who can take over ?
But do not despair here are some possible options ..
Mark Bower ex guiseley
Liam WATSON ,
Neil Young .
Every chance that Kevin Wilson will be available very shortly .
If many Halifax fans had their way Billy Heath , Tom Denton complete with hoofball would be made available .
Sure many will rush to name better candidates .
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Nat Brown can't do any worse than Greene.Might as well use him while he's out injured.
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Let Green get us out of this mess. He got us into it.
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As a complete outsider - but not as crazy as it may seem - how about a management duo between your Secretary, Craig Singleton and Chris Cook? Both are 100% Boston through and through and their knowledge of non league football and tactics are extensive. Both are well respected within the game and by players. Worth a punt?
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Let Green get us out of this mess. He got us into it.
Hmm
The mess as you say was caused by the squad being decimated.
4 of his signings jumping a division to go to league clubs
One went on a year out.
Geography affected a couple..
Throw in injuries...and you have a "perfect storm"
Who would be a manager!
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John Blackwell for manager.
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It's all a dastardly plan - keep us in this League then go all out for promotion when the new ground is ready, having an extra £70,000(?) per season to spend.
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Greene has earnt time if he still has the desire. This team is poor and key players are very injury prone. Would like to see Greene given more money to get some experience into the team as even if we change managers the new one will need money in wages to change the team around anyway.
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Definitely need to get some experienced players in , replacing the quality of the players who left was never gonna happen without a far bigger budget
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Replace him with Managers from clubs that are near the bottom of an higher league. Yes that makes perfect sense to me!!!
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Definitely need to get some experienced players in , replacing the quality of the players who left was never gonna happen without a far bigger budget
Ah now that makes far more sense, or am i being silly?
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Greene mgr
GHM asst mgr ..non playing
Bunny ? U21 s
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As a complete outsider - but not as crazy as it may seem - how about a management duo between your Secretary, Craig Singleton and Chris Cook? Both are 100% Boston through and through and their knowledge of non league football and tactics are extensive. Both are well respected within the game and by players. Worth a punt?
I think both are far too wise for that , unlike the Greene outers you have made a constructive suggestion Bill.
I,m sure Craig has too big a work load to take on other duties , likewise with Chris .
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Nat Brown can't do any worse than Greene.Might as well use him while he's out injured.
Worth considering KON . Would probably manage to get his old mate Connor Robinson back and some young loanees from Lincoln . On the down side these loanees would be more costly than the likes of MaxStryjek and Liam Agnew and eat into the budget .
On the other hand I,m sure Nat could entice some old pro,s down here who have not yet got fixed up with a club this season .
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Let Green get us out of this mess. He got us into it.
Thats the one I go with Dip , but will he see it out ?
Clubs are already looking for a change of manager , sure when these clubs scrutinise applicants they will be lucky to get one with a CV to match Greene,s .
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Let Green get us fout of this mess. He got us into it.
Thats the one I go with Dip , but will he see it out ?
Clubs are already looking for a change of manager , sure when these clubs scrutinise applicants they will be lucky to get one with a CV to match Greene,s .
Stalybridge and Alty have already parted company with managers this weekend. Decisive actions taken before things go too far. Perhaps a lesson to learn.....and before anyone asks me, I'll give the same answer I gave last year.....Gareth Jelleyman. Knows the club well, and the level well.
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Definitely need to get some experienced players in , replacing the quality of the players who left was never gonna happen without a far bigger budget
Ah now that makes far more sense, or am i being silly?
Replace him with Managers from clubs that are near the bottom of an higher league. Yes that makes perfect sense to me!!!
No your not being silly lgm.
The names I put up at the top of the thread have had several sackings between them from clubs fighting relegation . Yet again those demanding "Greene must go" fail to nominate anyone better than these failures . Seems odd .
True what Mike says , but is the money available ?
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Would have thought the money that needs to be made available is less than we will lose in reduced gates in an at best lower mid table team.
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Ok, so we're near the foot of the table at the start of the season. Fylde are at the top, come mid season i expect us to be nearer the top than we are now, but i still expect Fylde to be very near to where they are now. Why, because someone is bank rolling them to get in to the league.
How many of these clubs have we seen before, and how many have we seen fail and end up bust.
If we're where we are now with four games to go, i'll start to worry.
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Greene mgr
GHM asst mgr ..non playing
Bunny ? U21 s
If you read my comments Ted you will see that none are based on footballing experience ,
always based on logic , i e its no good chasing a northern based player playing for a club on his doorstep and with work commitments expecting him to travel down to Lincolnshire for an extra £150-£200 a week .
You,re more qualified than me Ted with your tactical comments , how do you assess the new players from what you have seen of then ?
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None attended yet GHM
Based 95 mile from Boston
Hope to attend aways at Stockport .Telford ,Tam , Nuni ? but not at nite for health reasons ..
From the Home videos i have seen , we seem pretty good at clearing off the line . :angel:
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None attended yet GHM
Based 95 mile from Boston
Hope to attend aways at Stockport .Telford ,Tam , Nuni ? but not at nite for health reasons ..
From the Home videos i have seen , we seem pretty good at clearing off the line . :angel:
Did,nt think you had .
At least your closer than some of our players .
Instead of watching the goal line clearances at the town end look up at the advert on the stand Ted , at the above games a packet of Jakeman,s throat and chest lozengers are a must .
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Im a bit worried they sell them at chemists :o
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Greene seems to be in the firing line from supporters everywhere - we were told that the budget had been increased - but I have also heard that it had been reduced.
The supporters have no idea what the budget is and if it has been reduced, along with losing most of the successful players from last season - it was going to be very difficult to replace them. Having so many injuries at the start of the season doesn't help the cause either.
I wouldn't be surprised if he looked elsewhere - his CV (apart from the start to this season) is second to none, and those who want him out could get their wish - but would those "supporters" be any different no matter who was in charge?
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If its the budget that is causing the problem would the club be better using the money paid to Craig the new CEO etc on playing staff. Most other clubs at this level don't have full time admin staff.
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If its the budget that is causing the problem would the club be better using the money paid to Craig the new CEO etc on playing staff. Most other clubs at this level don't have full time admin staff.
With all due respect Chelski other clubs at our level don't command gates of 1100ish,perhaps haven't got a ground move in the pipeline and almost certainly aren't involved in the community to the extent that BUFC are.All these things take time and energy to organise.Im sure if you saw the amount of work that Craig gets through during the week and on matchday you would retract your comments about someones livelihood...
Having said that,its not a great start weve had I agree.But any club at any level would struggle to cope with the amount of injuries that we have started the season with. Just because you increase the player budget,as you are indicating,doesnt necessary guarantee success.Its obvious that some of the current crop aren't strong enough or up for the challenge that our league presents and its up to DG to work within his budget to hopefully find a solution.
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Liam WATSON
He has retired from management for personal reasons.
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If its the budget that is causing the problem would the club be better using the money paid to Craig the new CEO etc on playing staff. Most other clubs at this level don't have full time admin staff.
Talking to a vociferous "DG out " person pre-match about this time last season I asked him suggest a way to increase the player budget , like Chelsea he suggested Craig out .
Producing award winning programme , club secretary ,and great commercial prowess makes Craig an integral part of the club , great cash generator and PR man .
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Laughable.
Anyone suggesting Craig be lopped from the wage bill is so catastrophically ignorant of his importance to the club - particularly in terms of his revenue-raising commercial role - that their opinion can be safely disregarded.
Unless they actually WANT the budget to be cut, the programme to become selection of badly printed cut n paste Wiki articles, and the club to degenerate into a comically unprofessional administrative shambles of course... in which case they should just become Grimsby fans.
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Laughable.
Anyone suggesting Craig be lopped from the wage bill is so catastrophically ignorant of his importance to the club - particularly in terms of his revenue-raising commercial role - that their opinion can be safely disregarded.
Unless they actually WANT the budget to be cut, the programme to become selection of badly printed cut n paste Wiki articles, and the club to degenerate into a comically unprofessional administrative shambles of course... in which case they should just become Grimsby fans.
and i did laugh :)
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the programme to become selection of badly printed cut n paste Wiki articles
......you've just reminded me that I need to cut and paste some Wiki articles for the BUSA piece this week :)
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The entire off field situation between DG and a section of the support is a big problem which has been growing over time with nobody either getting a grip of it (collectively as supporters, unlikely, or Chairman to Manager, likely) and its threatening now to really disrupt on the field performances.
In short supporters of all clubs have a pop, some constructively some less so, what we have is a manager who gives it back - in my view pointlessly and only ever self defeating.
Supporters, despite the odd shout of 'I'm never going again' or 'I'm not renewing' will always be here, managers come and go. So DG is on a slippy slope. Does that make the abuse he gets right, no, does that mean he should sling it back, no.
To be constructive I'd say supporters collectively need to ignore him, put efforts into supporting the players and don't goad him. DG needs to stop posting on Social Media completely or at least make accounts private (and use it as such) or open new accounts and restrict the use - harsh but he has to accept the reality of the public role he has and the responsibilities it comes with.
David Newton also has a big role to play here. He dished our a two year deal, so let's face it folks he is happy with his performance so won't be getting sacked anytime soon regardless of if you think he should. What he could do though is speak to him, get a grip of the communication problems which are stoking the fire and also do as he has always done, conduct business in a quiet and dignified manner - I'm not expecting public statements or grand gestures - I trust him to improve the situation even if ultimately it cannot be fixed.
Oh and yes, sack Craig and quite honestly I WOULD rip up my season ticket, we are very lucky to have him and he needs more help not a longer 'to do' list!
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The entire off field situation between DG and a section of the support is a big problem which has been growing over time with nobody either getting a grip of it (collectively as supporters, unlikely, or Chairman to Manager, likely) and its threatening now to really disrupt on the field performances.
In short supporters of all clubs have a pop, some constructively some less so, what we have is a manager who gives it back - in my view pointlessly and only ever self defeating.
Supporters, despite the odd shout of 'I'm never going again' or 'I'm not renewing' will always be here, managers come and go. So DG is on a slippy slope. Does that make the abuse he gets right, no, does that mean he should sling it back, no.
To be constructive I'd say supporters collectively need to ignore him, put efforts into supporting the players and don't goad him. DG needs to stop posting on Social Media completely or at least make accounts private (and use it as such) or open new accounts and restrict the use - harsh but he has to accept the reality of the public role he has and the responsibilities it comes with.
David Newton also has a big role to play here. He dished our a two year deal, so let's face it folks he is happy with his performance so won't be getting sacked anytime soon regardless of if you think he should. What he could do though is speak to him, get a grip of the communication problems which are stoking the fire and also do as he has always done, conduct business in a quiet and dignified manner - I'm not expecting public statements or grand gestures - I trust him to improve the situation even if ultimately it cannot be fixed.
Oh and yes, sack Craig and quite honestly I WOULD rip up my season ticket, we are very lucky to have him and he needs more help not a longer 'to do' list!
fully agree MNH
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Excellent post MNH, with you 100%
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Spot on Nutts!
Also, let's have some context: regardless of whether you agree with them or not, the ‘Knobhead Army’ are a small fraction of the crowd. Just because they’ve taken a dislike to Greene and want shot of him doesn’t mean DG has lost the fan-base as a whole. Most supporters, of course, are not on Twitter and don’t frequent Patter, and so a good number are either completely ignorant of this stuff, or simply don’t care about it.
That being said, as Adam suggests, it won’t take much for this to boil over and turn ugly, particularly if results continue to be poor. So I’m surprised efforts haven’t already been made behind the scenes to try and contain it, or smooth things over at least.
I suppose the board have bigger priorities at present, what with trying to build us a new home and everything.
It’s a shame because we’ve been a remarkably stable club for the last few seasons and I'd rather be boring and decent than be a soap opera and crap!
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The entire off field situation between DG and a section of the support is a big problem which has been growing over time with nobody either getting a grip of it (collectively as supporters, unlikely, or Chairman to Manager, likely) and its threatening now to really disrupt on the field performances.
In short supporters of all clubs have a pop, some constructively some less so, what we have is a manager who gives it back - in my view pointlessly and only ever self defeating.
Supporters, despite the odd shout of 'I'm never going again' or 'I'm not renewing' will always be here, managers come and go. So DG is on a slippy slope. Does that make the abuse he gets right, no, does that mean he should sling it back, no.
To be constructive I'd say supporters collectively need to ignore him, put efforts into supporting the players and don't goad him. DG needs to stop posting on Social Media completely or at least make accounts private (and use it as such) or open new accounts and restrict the use - harsh but he has to accept the reality of the public role he has and the responsibilities it comes with.
David Newton also has a big role to play here. He dished our a two year deal, so let's face it folks he is happy with his performance so won't be getting sacked anytime soon regardless of if you think he should. What he could do though is speak to him, get a grip of the communication problems which are stoking the fire and also do as he has always done, conduct business in a quiet and dignified manner - I'm not expecting public statements or grand gestures - I trust him to improve the situation even if ultimately it cannot be fixed.
Oh and yes, sack Craig and quite honestly I WOULD rip up my season ticket, we are very lucky to have him and he needs more help not a longer 'to do' list!
fully agree MNH
I am amazed how this has gathered such momentum Adam. I wish it to be known that my altercation with the manager was caused by me trying to smooth things over regarding the Liam Marrs issue and him getting himself in a tizzy and getting hold of the wrong end of the stick and confronting me in the stand. I have never shouted abuse at him or the players and I honestly feel the whole issue of fans doing so is not only unacceptable but also overstated, I have only ever heard the odd comment being shouted at the manager at the end of a game. As for comments on social media other than this site by the manager or supporters I have no knowledge of as I am only a member of Patter. Of the 1000 or so supporters only a handful are involved by the sound of it and the rest do not do social media or are not interested in these matters and that is what the manager should understand and stay well clear of these sites. I have my own views on the management and squad of players and am happy to discuss those with anyone but not on here or any other site. I want what is best for Boston United Football Club as should we all so lets all concentrate on that.
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I know what you mean, to some it seems like the end of the world and then others you speak to know nothing of it! The momentum is the worry as it could get nasty and who will that help?
You have got caught in the cross fire so to speak, a consequence of the way DG is reacting to things. Likewise I was included in a Twitter conversation with others voicing their issues and we all got blocked by him, as with you, I didn't say a word!
Hey ho ::)