Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Mickey Nuttells Hair on January 18, 2013, 02:49:26 PM
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http://www.bostonunited.co.uk/news/jones-set-for-united-departure-835903.html
Young player and clearly been offered a wedge and deal till the end of next season. If you were in his shoes, you would.
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Agree! He's a non contract player who's been forced to play out of position! Good luck and thanks!
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Fair enough if its his sole income, if I were in the same position I'd do the same. If he were in a job I'd be the 1st to call him mercenary but in this instance its a no brainer.........bloody disappointed all the same though.
Can't wait for the bubble to burst at that 'project' though.
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Still only want people here that wanna play cos they wanna play not cos they can get more cash. Good luck to him though
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more fuel to the fire when we play them now ! world war 3 is coming. i really hate them , more so now. as for jona, it was said we offered a wage increase on top of what he said about he wouldn't move for money so one has to ask why did he move ?? our club should not be selling its best players to its local rivals, end of !!!
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
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Would have had more sympathy had he not just said: “I don’t want to be one of those players who jumps ship just because they (Trinity) are in the play-offs, or because a bit of cash comes flying at you."
Dirty greedy judas imo!
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Aparently it was an unbeleivable offer so hes gonna go. But be smug in the fact one day it will all come crashing down on trinity when the cash runs out
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Gutted he has gone,But for me this sticks in my throat and at the moment no loyalty in any level of football and will not buy a new shirt and will not renew my season ticket again and after 30+ plus years home and away thats enough for me this has tipped me over the edge and will not be going back to york street again and i see we are going down the road that we did with that fat scot with drury and i dont like it :(
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
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Gutted he has gone,But for me this sticks in my throat and at the moment no loyalty in any level of football and will not buy a new shirt and will not renew my season ticket again and after 30+ plus years home and away thats enough for me this has tipped me over the edge and will not be going back to york street again and i see we are going down the road that we did with that fat scot with drury and i dont like it :(
I don't quite see how the loyalty can be aimed at Boston United. Jones is the player who has decided that it is greener in North Lincs, despite being offered more money here to stay.
The fat scot as you call him, would have doubled the money that Gainsborough no doubt offered him.
As far as loyalty is concerned - you are now going to turn your back on Boston United because a player has decided to move for more money. Where is your loyalty?
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Diappointing, but can't say I blame him if somebody is stupid enough to flash a load of money under his nose on a long contract. Don't blame the player, blame the game.
However, having done a year working up there myself, he'll soon realise what a sh**ty little passionless place it is, where the local population have next to no interest in their local club (even when they reached the play-offs last year).
Can't help feeling like their chairman pulled out all the stops to make sure they poached another one of our players. He clearly has an infeority complex! Maybe publicising the Corby approach was a mistake?
I guess its over to Graham Drury to get the best out of Newsham & Weir Daley now and find a style that suits their game. I guess we can at least console ourselves in the knowledge that these two guys who can score goals on their day. He was a good striker but we still have two goalscorers on the books.
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Jason lee should have put him on contract. Sounds like the club did all they could to keep him but he has gone for the money. Hope he fails miserably. Drury didn't help the situation with his comments it made swann and grimity more determined to get one over on us.
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
or being left on the bench for 4 games running despite coming off the bench and proving a point each time. Dont blame him for moving but saying it wasnt about money and now hes moved. c'mon if you were in a job and you got offered double to play elsewhere are you going stay when you could be getting paid double for the same job. Good luck to him, well apart from when we play against him
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welcome back Ricky :)
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Just wondering if anyone else has had the thought cross their mind that if GD had not rattled Swann's cage so vigorously the offer would have not have been so lucrative?? ??? :-\
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
or being left on the bench for 4 games running despite coming off the bench and proving a point each time. Dont blame him for moving but saying it wasnt about money and now hes moved. c'mon if you were in a job and you got offered double to play elsewhere are you going stay when you could be getting paid double for the same job. Good luck to him, well apart from when we play against him
I read somewhere that they like to have four strikers and he was replacing one who'd moved on, so could be looking at more bench time there. Judging by his comments in the press and on the radio he had previously seemed more than happy to stay and figh for his place. His head has clearly been turned by the cash, you cannot fault his attitude while he's been at the club though so I personally won't be holding it against him. I'm afraid though we are going to continue to miss out on the best players in this area as long as Trinity's chairman is throwing his money around.
At least he can't buy our history though.
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Ricky?? Does that imply to Ricky miller?
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Ricky?? Does that imply to Ricky miller?
no, ricky martin
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I was worried when ShaunyG said yesterday he was on his way and so he was. Ultimately money talks, and in a recession when your only income is possibly doubled you can't blame the lad as most of us would take the money. Shame as is he is a great forward who would have scored us lots of goals. Ultimately whilst Peter Swann is running his lot like this they can have any of our players they want, but you can't help feeling this will all come crashing down at some point. It did with us when you know who went mad spending money. I'd rather stick to the Dave Newton way of sticking to a wage budget. I spoke to Steve Charles once and he told me Swann was going to retire to the Bahamas, at this rate I wish he would hurry up !
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Let them throw it. Football is football, Players at this level will move on for big money regardless of loyelty.
Everyone knows that swan withdraws his bank roll at the end of this season anyway.
But we are BUFC and if players choice money over that then so be it. get in the car and go.
As with us as a club we need to look at why was a player who was told he was wanted for the season NOT on a contract.
As for mark jones, yes sad to see him go but he was offered the chance to take a full time wage out of a part time job. Nobody can say no to that.
Time for us at boston to just get on with it forget about him and work with what we have got and what we can get out there on the pitch
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
Jordon Smith brilliant signing by Drury!
Cant wait until the summer when Drury assembles his own team.Youve been warned!
Clowns and Billy Smarts Circus?
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Can,t blame him for going but perhaps its not just the money. Perhaps he is leaving a sinking ship. I just cannot help but feel that we are on a downwards slope. The players coming in appear below the standard of the players leaving. I also feel that the way things are going other folks will also be demoralised by the changes. Are we heading for ground sharing with FC. I will keep going to the games in the hope that something will happen to make me feel we have ambition to progress rather than being prepared for lower level football. Just saying it as it is, wish I could be optimistic like others on here but finding it tough.
Directions to Lemmings Cliff please.
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HE would have gone anyway,okay he went for the money and contract,I cannot beleive we never had him on contract,
I dont think drury would have kept him happy anyway,
good luck to the lad,
HE add's to the number of good up and comeing youge player's we have let go this season
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welcome back Ricky :)
if your referring to miller, he has already signed for someone else. i know who would come back though..jamie clarke. now he was a passionate striker in our colours.
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Can,t blame him for going but perhaps its not just the money. Perhaps he is leaving a sinking ship. I just cannot help but feel that we are on a downwards slope. The players coming in appear below the standard of the players leaving. I also feel that the way things are going other folks will also be demoralised by the changes. Are we heading for ground sharing with FC. I will keep going to the games in the hope that something will happen to make me feel we have ambition to progress rather than being prepared for lower level football. Just saying it as it is, wish I could be optimistic like others on here but finding it tough.
Directions to Lemmings Cliff please.
Don't agree.
The clubs due to massive changes over the next 12 month. Plans have been drawn up for 2 sites and are currently been reveiwed ready for submitting, something which would not be taking place if there was not some sort of structure in place to make it happen.
While i agree things seem bad and im expecting things to be bad for a year or 2 i myself think we are further away from sinking than our rivals, infact i am full of confidence that the club is doing the right thing by planting the seeds and letting it grow.
When you plant a apple seed it be a few years before you get the apple. Mr newton and co may have been here for a decent amount of time but a lot of that time was spent sorting a big mess out. something that they needed to do before looking forward
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Can,t blame him for going but perhaps its not just the money. Perhaps he is leaving a sinking ship. I just cannot help but feel that we are on a downwards slope. The players coming in appear below the standard of the players leaving. I also feel that the way things are going other folks will also be demoralised by the changes. Are we heading for ground sharing with FC. I will keep going to the games in the hope that something will happen to make me feel we have ambition to progress rather than being prepared for lower level football. Just saying it as it is, wish I could be optimistic like others on here but finding it tough.
Directions to Lemmings Cliff please.
Good post!
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Ricky?? Does that imply to Ricky miller?
no, ricky martin
Genuinely laughed at this 10/10
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
Jordon Smith brilliant signing by Drury!
Cant wait until the summer when Drury assembles his own team.Youve been warned!
Clowns and Billy Smarts Circus?
KON....you have warned us about many doom and glooms predictions over the last few years. Can your next prediction be a positive one for a change ? :bunny
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welcome back Ricky :)
if your referring to miller, he has already signed for someone else. i know who would come back though..jamie clarke. now he was a passionate striker in our colours.
has he signed tho'?
over to you Shuaney :)
is the Jamie Clarke you mention the one that has signed for a club in Thailand?
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Just wondering if anyone else has had the thought cross their mind that if GD had not rattled Swann's cage so vigorously the offer would have not have been so lucrative?? ??? :-\
Exactly what I have been thinking the last few days TP .
Lets hope hes learnt to keep his mouth shut and deliver something positive .
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Reminds me of an ex manager at York Street!
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No, he means the one who did his cruciate ligaments in playing for Loughborough a couple of months back. Don't think he would be able to replace Mark Jones at the moment !
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First off, we probably should have signed him on a proper contract when he turned out to be good and before other clubs started taking notice.
Also, if Swann wants to chuck money around let him, it will only hurt Trinity in the long run, we've seen it all before.
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Frustrating, but also novel to see a transfer so unapologetically about money. Must be an interesting feeling for GTFC and their fans knowing that MJ would quite clearly be at BUFC, that he considers us a bigger/better club and that he's there for no reason other than to milk the cash of Peer Swann and their (few) fans! Not that much of a victory for them.
I also suspect that Drury's comments won't have helped matters, such things shouldn't be aired in the press - we all know what an idiot John Fenty looked a while ago. I'm not having a go at him, but suggesting that he should pipe down a bit unless he's in a dug out.
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Good luck to the lad hes only human. This new manager worries me tho getting rid of the best players and replacing em with muppets............... :o
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Good luck to the lad hes only human. This new manager worries me tho getting rid of the best players and replacing em with muppets............... :o
The new manager isn't getting rid of the best players, Jones chose to go.
Smith....Was a good player but think this was just that one level to high.
Stokes..Don't know the full details but there seemed to be more to hid release than told
TBH Stokes is the only one i felt we should have kept.
But asked if they was good enough IMO yes but the league says different so ill go with where we are in the league and ill make judgment on drury after the first 15 games next season
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Mark Jones is a good player who should definitely have been on a contract, but there's no point blaming anyone now as what's done is done. We need to learn from this though and not make the same mistake again with other players.
For the sake of keeping supporters coming through the turnstyles, we need to keep our mathematical play-off hopes alive for as long as we can. To do that I feel we need to replace Jones straight away with somebody of equivalent standard. Looking at our subs' bench for the last match - Jordan Smith, James Reed, Jordan Nuttell, Charley Sanders and Ricky Drury - which of these players is ready to step up to the mark and replace Jones? This isn't a criticism of those players and there's definitely potential there, but I don't think we've got a finished article waiting in the wings to replace Jones. We need to address this as a priority.
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Wardy up front methinks!
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No, he means the one who did his cruciate ligaments in playing for Loughborough a couple of months back. Don't think he would be able to replace Mark Jones at the moment !
yeah, this is who i mean. he is not far away from regaining fitness so i gather so could be one to get on board at least. i know personally that he loves this club and would do anything to be back. who knows, but i had to throw this name in the hat. i remember the crowd loving him though.
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I worry GD sees Jordan as a readymade replacement but from what I've seen his someway off the mark
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His first game for boring looks like it will be against us in Feb!
What the odds on first goal scorer?!
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I worry GD sees Jordan as a readymade replacement but from what I've seen his someway off the mark
Jordon was considered a striker at Ilkeston but was well down the pecking order .
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How far? 2nd or 3rd!
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Can't blame the lad for going, just hope he hasn't burnt his bridge back to the best club in the county and regret it when he is sat on the bench or binned because the moneys gone.
Lets be clear, once he has gone and shopped at Wilkinsons, he ain't allowed to come back and shop in Oldrids.
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Can't blame the lad for going, just hope he hasn't burnt his bridge back to the best club in the county and regret it when he is sat on the bench or binned because the moneys gone.
Lets be clear, once he has gone and shopped at Wilkinsons, he ain't allowed to come back and shop in Oldrids.
Probably shopping at Coney's now, LCB....and having it hand-delivered! ;)
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I think a boycott of Wilko's is in order..... ;)
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Wilko and Greggs!
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LP got it right. When u look at those boys on the bench for the last game it does make u wonder which direction we are going in. Everyone was asking for a big experienced mid field player and we got Foster. I don't think we were expecting that but then again we haven't seen much of him yet so still deserves a chance to impress. We desperately need someone to replace Jones. Lets hope if someone is coming in he is over 5'9" and can direct his headers and score goals and is over 25ish.
Wilco the boycott of Wilkos. Roger and out.
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watched jones last season at deeping he was always going higher but his partner in crime morman imo was a much better player and i was surprised boston didnt take both of them. i think josh is still at corby and if there was a chance i would sign him . good luck jonah i think you will go higher still , footballs a short career make the most of your oppertunities.
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I remember a prominent someone on here saying he'd (Jones) never go! Can anyone find the post or has it been deleted? 8)
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
Jordon Smith brilliant signing by Drury!
Cant wait until the summer when Drury assembles his own team.Youve been warned!
Clowns and Billy Smarts Circus?
Yeah, he's bring in Ian Freeman as head fitness coach and replacing Jonah with Danny Matson. Boo Drury. Boo Freeman. Boo Matson.
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Laughable eh. ???
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I was told by somebody who knows him that he wouldnt move for money(when Spalding was interested), So I guess it must be for football reasons then!
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He has obviously gone for footballing reasons - just like Jamie Yates..........................
Maybe did go for football reasons , did not like being played out of position >:(?
Never mind we still have Jordon Smith .
or being left on the bench for 4 games running despite coming off the bench and proving a point each time. Dont blame him for moving but saying it wasnt about money and now hes moved. c'mon if you were in a job and you got offered double to play elsewhere are you going stay when you could be getting paid double for the same job. Good luck to him, well apart from when we play against him
I read somewhere that they like to have four strikers and he was replacing one who'd moved on, so could be looking at more bench time there. Judging by his comments in the press and on the radio he had previously seemed more than happy to stay and figh for his place. His head has clearly been turned by the cash, you cannot fault his attitude while he's been at the club though so I personally won't be holding it against him. I'm afraid though we are going to continue to miss out on the best players in this area as long as Trinity's chairman is throwing his money around.
At least he can't buy our history though.
Spot on this. Can see Jonah spending plenty of his time on the bench. Also the bit about Swann's cash being used to hoover up all the best players in the area is bang on. We'll see if he does pack in at the end of the season like he said.
Jonah is a good prospect to play higher and already more than good enough for this level. Of all our players he was the player who I thought we'd struggle to hold onto, but I thought he'd be moving upwards not backwards for the £££'s. Still there's 100's of good young players around, as disappointing as it is there's plenty out there playing at all levels who can step in given the chance.
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Precisely! ;)
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I worry GD sees Jordan as a readymade replacement but from what I've seen his someway off the mark
Jordon was considered a striker at Ilkeston but was well down the pecking order .
How far? 2nd or 3rd!
Ilkeston forum qouted Hooton , Gardner and Ford as better options .
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When asked why Jones had been on the bench and then played out wide, Drury said that Jones was a victim of circumstance.
He knew Jones from Corby but he needed to assess the other strikers.
This would have made no difference to the approach by Gainsborough of course, but it would be interesting to know the results of his assessment :o
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When asked why Jones had been on the bench and then played out wide, Drury said that Jones was a victim of circumstance.
He knew Jones from Corby but he needed to assess the other strikers.
This would have made no difference to the approach by Gainsborough of course, but it would be interesting to know the results of his assessment :o
May reveal the outcome of his assessment next match by dropping SWD or Newsham and replacing with Jordon ;)
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by dropping Newsham
Please don't joke about that, that lad scores goals for fun in sides that don't. Life without Newshams goals frightens me.
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Maybe Drury is now the victim of circumstance :o
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Im not sure where he'll fit in at trinity. He's not as good as Stamp as a target man. I know they lost their smaller fast forward but he isnt one of them either be interesting to see how they use him. Whatever he'll play against us
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Really disapointing to see him go especially after his words suggesting he would stay, sounds a bit hollow now doesn't it. in saying that if as some are suggesting they have nearly doubled his bloody wages no one can maon at the lad, i know i would do it
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Im not sure where he'll fit in at trinity. He's not as good as Stamp as a target man. I know they lost their smaller fast forward but he isnt one of them either be interesting to see how they use him. Whatever he'll play against us
and probably make him captain like they did with yatesy!.....just for our game.
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Two words - No loyalty.
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Two words - No loyalty.
But in all honesty why should there be and why do we believe just because we support the club there should be?
We think we are the best club in lincolnshire in fact we know we are, but do we hands on our hearts really believe the players should think the same just because they play for us, and if they dont, does it really show a lack of loyalty if tey move to play somewhere else?
This is part time, NL football, changes happen evey year we surely just have to accept it, and thinking about it more how many of our players exactly or any teams players for that matter and for whatever reasons stay more than a couple of years, very few or do we honestly expct them all to be loyal cus it simply wont happen
As long as players dont move somewhere for the sake of an extra tenner which really pisses me of i keep my sanity by just accepting it
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I remember many, many years ago a certain employee of BUFC, who may I add is still there to this day. This person told me that all footballers are mercenaries, they would, according to him move to another club for £1.
Many years later it's still the same, no matter what league you talk about. Be it the NP league, or the Premiership, they haven't changed one bit. MJ has the chance to earn a few extra quid, he's in the same league as we are. He is just as likely to be spotted playing for GT as he would be for us. Many young footballers are spotted playing for NL clubs, they don't have to be playing here to be spotted. In the end he's looking after number one and I for one don't blame him one bit. I say good luck to the lad and if one day he makes it up the leagues, we can all say, he once played for BUFC.
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
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I remember many, many years ago a certain employee of BUFC, who may I add is still there to this day. This person told me that all footballers are mercenaries, they would, according to him move to another club for £1.
Many years later it's still the same, no matter what league you talk about. Be it the NP league, or the Premiership, they haven't changed one bit. MJ has the chance to earn a few extra quid, he's in the same league as we are. He is just as likely to be spotted playing for GT as he would be for us. Many young footballers are spotted playing for NL clubs, they don't have to be playing here to be spotted. In the end he's looking after number one and I for one don't blame him one bit. I say good luck to the lad and if one day he makes it up the leagues, we can all say, he once played for BUFC.
check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
I like saying that when i see a X pilgrim playing on tv at a higher level
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Aren't GT nearly full-time training 3/4 times a week? This must be attractive to ex full timers with no "real" job to keep them occupied.
The truck load of money must compensate for the extra travel from Bourne!
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Gutted he has gone,But for me this sticks in my throat and at the moment no loyalty in any level of football and will not buy a new shirt and will not renew my season ticket again and after 30+ plus years home and away thats enough for me this has tipped me over the edge and will not be going back to york street again and i see we are going down the road that we did with that fat scot with drury and i dont like it :(
I don't think anyone can blame Jones for leaving, I'm from Boston and i support Boston so naturally my allegiance would be to play for the pilgrims regardless. On the other hand if i was a non-league player from Boston playing for a club 200 miles away and there local rivals offered me more money and the fact that they're higher in the league, 2 games away from a cup final at Wembley you wouldn't think twice.
I for one get fed up with the dinosaurs that pledge allegiance to the club, i only have to stand down spayne lane for half an hour to grasp that modern day football knowledge comes at a premium. So for goodness sake get behind your team or get gone because our/my beautiful club would be better off without "part-time fans!!"
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by dropping Newsham
Please don't joke about that, that lad scores goals for fun in sides that don't. Life without Newshams goals frightens me.
If Swan reads that LCB it will give him ideas about his next p*ss take .
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Lovely first post here. ;) I'm sooooo... looking forward to more posts from Toby! 8)
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Gutted he has gone,But for me this sticks in my throat and at the moment no loyalty in any level of football and will not buy a new shirt and will not renew my season ticket again and after 30+ plus years home and away thats enough for me this has tipped me over the edge and will not be going back to york street again and i see we are going down the road that we did with that fat scot with drury and i dont like it :(
I don't think anyone can blame Jones for leaving, I'm from Boston and i support Boston so naturally my allegiance would be to play for the pilgrims regardless. On the other hand if i was a non-league player from Boston playing for a club 200 miles away and there local rivals offered me more money and the fact that they're higher in the league, 2 games away from a cup final at Wembley you wouldn't think twice.
I for one get fed up with the dinosaurs that pledge allegiance to the club, i only have to stand down spayne lane for half an hour to grasp that modern day football knowledge comes at a premium. So for goodness sake get behind your team or get gone because our/my beautiful club would be better off without "part-time fans!!"
;D
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Lovely first post here. ;) I'm sooooo... looking forward to more posts from Toby! 8)
As long as he toes the party line. 8)
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I for one get fed up with the dinosaurs that pledge allegiance to the club, i only have to stand down spayne lane for half an hour to grasp that modern day football knowledge comes at a premium.
I've spent many enjoyable hours on the Spayne ::) and found the level of football knowledge to be about the same as in most non-league grounds I've been to :dan
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Truffleshuffle
Toby Lerone
Ed Kandi
A pattern emerging?
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Don't really think we will miss Jones. I remember putting on here about a month ago that he was so slow he would have had a job outrunning me and I am twice his age (ok, perhaps a little bit more ). Then suddenly he got a bit faster. People are going over the top about his quality.
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I felt compelled to post in this forum, i've observed for a while and never really felt the need to say anything. I'm not sure who said it in an earlier post but we need to realise that we are not the biggest club in the land or in our league. People have been talking about Jones showing no loyalty, and in the same breath fenside pilgrim is protesting how he is going to stop watching the pilgrims. FACEPALM!!
I'm looking forward to next season now, given the money at Sh*tboroughs disposal compared to ours i think we can be happier with where we are in the league compared to them. Hopefully we have the right coaching team in place so next season we can sustain a challenge in the top 6 of the table over the course of 42 games rather than spurts of energy here and there, where we all get our hopes up.
Regardless of wether we get promoted, relegated or we're in the Blue Square North for the next 5 years, players will come and go, unfortunately it takes longer for some to go than others (i.e. Danny Davidson, Jon Froggatt etc) But at least under Newton and co. we have values and standards!! :)
Sorry if i was going on a little bit ;)
"Play for the name on the front of the shirt, and the fans will remember the name on the back"
Tony Adams
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Very good post. We all need to look forward to next season now. Get behind the club!!
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I said that as soon as he got the job, this season is all about trying a few things out, perhaps fine tuning......Jones leaving is a loss but we'll get over it. I just hope he's not given the same treatment Yeates has (deservedly) been given, as football is his sole income he has to take the best offer, its not disloyaly to us, its looking after himself.
I'm looking forward to next season, with 2 moneybags sides looking good for promotion BSN should be a much more competitive playing field next season.
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Should be wide open next year if the two bigguns go up.
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by dropping Newsham
Please don't joke about that, that lad scores goals for fun in sides that don't. Life without Newshams goals frightens me.
If Swan reads that LCB it will give him ideas about his next p*ss take .
Newsham is under contract, and deservedly so.
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Should be wide open next year if the two bigguns go up.
Yeah Chester and Guiseley (or maybe Halifax) gone up, if Swann pulls out that only leaves Harrogate, Brackley and whoever doesn't go up out of Guiseley and Halifax as the big money players. As long as Fylde don't come up out of the Evo who are spending way above their status.
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Don,t rule out FC Manchester getting promoted !!
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Does £500 a week qualify for footballing reasons?
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Yeah £500 a week 52 weeks a year plus match bonuses
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Where are these figures coming from? If true no wonder the lad left.
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apparently it bout 480 a week plus 50 a game
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Are you just guessing these figures?
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Nah my guesses would of bin way off shit at maths it what someone told me
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I wonder if MJ knew that his BBC Radio Lincs interview after last week's match in which he said no amount of money would entice him away from York Street, would actually result in such a such a highly paid contract.
Money always talks until it runs out..................
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Thing if after the interviews last week he said he wouldn't go etc why he bother going talk to them
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I wonder if MJ knew that his BBC Radio Lincs interview after last week's match in which he said no amount of money would entice him away from York Street, would actually result in such a such a highly paid contract.
Money always talks until it runs out..................
Well you should know about that at Boston.
UTB!!
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Few trinity fans on here now is it more interesting than your 5 man forum
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
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I wonder if MJ knew that his BBC Radio Lincs interview after last week's match in which he said no amount of money would entice him away from York Street, would actually result in such a such a highly paid contract.
Money always talks until it runs out..................
Well you should know about that at Boston.
UTB!!
I agree with that comment but our present Chairman is running the football club within our means, whereas PS has been throwing silly money at the Trinity, but hasn't actually achieved much more than Boston.
Trinity are living beyond their means and when the money runs out.............
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I wonder if MJ knew that his BBC Radio Lincs interview after last week's match in which he said no amount of money would entice him away from York Street, would actually result in such a such a highly paid contract.
Money always talks until it runs out..................
Well you should know about that at Boston.
UTB!!
I agree with that comment but our present Chairman is running the football club within our means, whereas PS has been throwing silly money at the Trinity, but hasn't actually achieved much more than Boston.
Trinity are living beyond their means and when the money runs out.............
Your present chairman is doing a good job...I was referring to the 2 individuals who wrecked your club.
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I wonder if MJ knew that his BBC Radio Lincs interview after last week's match in which he said no amount of money would entice him away from York Street, would actually result in such a such a highly paid contract.
Money always talks until it runs out..................
Well you should know about that at Boston.
UTB!!
I agree with that comment but our present Chairman is running the football club within our means, whereas PS has been throwing silly money at the Trinity, but hasn't actually achieved much more than Boston.
Trinity are living beyond their means and when the money runs out.............
Your present chairman is doing a good job...I was referring to the 2 individuals who wrecked your club.
This is true, so why are you letting someone do the same thing at Trinity and not learning a lesson from our painful experience? Oh yeah forget it'll be the same as every club throwing cash way above their means, it's different here...
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
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We don't want a chairman that spends far more than the club makes that's stupid we have been there before. Your not trying to tell me that swans puts no money in
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We don't want a chairman that spends far more than the club makes that's stupid we have been there before. Your not trying to tell me that swans puts no money in
Agreed short term success for long term pain. We've been there before and enjoyed the ride like Trinity's fans are now. Hope their club survives when it all comes crashing down.
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
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We don't want a chairman that spends far more than the club makes that's stupid we have been there before. Your not trying to tell me that swans puts no money in
Agreed short term success for long term pain. We've been there before and enjoyed the ride like Trinity's fans are now. Hope their club survives when it all comes crashing down.
tbh wo so do I to many formally good well run non league clubs have been lost on ridiculous follies that go belly up. It's only the fans that suffer long term
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For every player of ours they double the wage of, we get two players. As yet it hasn't given them anymore than a splattering of points over us. I know which club I'd prefer to support and who is getting better value out of their squad of players.
Given time we'll get it right and make our way back up the division, Time is something Trinity don't have on their side however as they only have a limited period to buy their way out.
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
My answer to that is..I honestly don't know...maybe we live by the sword and one day we will fall on the sword..but I don't think and hope Peter will desert the blues..but I will tell you one thing I personally would sacrifice a wembley appearance for promotion to the BSP and I think we can go one better than last season..I don't speak for all blues fans,only my opinion.
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
GHM I don't think the gates are relevant in our case, as the 3-400 have always been there, long before Mr Swann bought the Club. We have always held our own (competed) in the Conference North and certainly in the NPL since joining in 1968.
What is more worrying is Sponsorship and where that is coming from??
The fact is, PS is paying from his own pocket to make up the shortfall in sponsors cash. That is why (in his opinion) he needed to build a new stadium to attract such new sponsorship opportunities. As most intelligent people know, Lincolnshire is hardly a football hotbed, and most business people in the county are struggling right now.
Trinity are very lucky to have him on board.
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Just hope Wilkinsons dont follow Hmv, JJB and the rest!
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Just hope Wilkinsons dont follow Hmv, JJB and the rest!
Stop clutching at straws.
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
My answer to that is..I honestly don't know...maybe we live by the sword and one day we will fall on the sword..but I don't think and hope Peter will desert the blues..but I will tell you one thing I personally would sacrifice a wembley appearance for promotion to the BSP and I think we can go one better than last season..I don't speak for all blues fans,only my opinion.
Well done feelinblue , unlike your other guys you have the balls to come on and admit you not got no idea .
Recall reading PS inherited debt when he took over club , therefore if he leaves and you revert to a small budget you will not be sustainable on 400 gates .
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
My answer to that is..I honestly don't know...maybe we live by the sword and one day we will fall on the sword..but I don't think and hope Peter will desert the blues..but I will tell you one thing I personally would sacrifice a wembley appearance for promotion to the BSP and I think we can go one better than last season..I don't speak for all blues fans,only my opinion.
Unless he gets his grubby little mits on your ground soon I fear he will walk away. (not to dissimilar to Robwell & Sotnick)
Its down to your blues club whether to buy in the pipe dream for 15 mins of fame followed by 15 yrs of pain.
Enjoy the "good times" while they last. :dan
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Sounds as though Mark was astute and hired Bradley Barracloughs agent .
Mark did what the majority of footballers do and went for the best deal...don't be bitter.
You would our love a chairman like ours.
UTB!!!!
Not bitter delighted Mark has secured a great deal .
Asked on another thread what gates you require to maintain your club at BSN / BSP levels when PS leaves .
You and other blues fans have read the post and not responded .
I take you have realised you cannot be sustainable without him.
My answer to that is..I honestly don't know...maybe we live by the sword and one day we will fall on the sword..but I don't think and hope Peter will desert the blues..but I will tell you one thing I personally would sacrifice a wembley appearance for promotion to the BSP and I think we can go one better than last season..I don't speak for all blues fans,only my opinion.
Unless he gets his grubby little mits on your ground soon I fear he will walk away. (not to dissimilar to Robwell & Sotnick)
Its down to your blues club whether to buy in the pipe dream for 15 mins of fame followed by 15 yrs of pain.
Enjoy the "good times" while they last. :dan
We will and do..thanks for that.
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Sustainabilty is the key word for me, and on the crowds Gainsborough are getting the playing budget is clearly not sustanable. Alarm bells should be ringing if the Chairman is having to subsidise the club to such a high level. Everyone remembers Max Griggs putting in huge investment at Rushden & Diamonds. He built them a new ground and I recall he also built additional facilities like a conference centre in order to bring in extra income. The club in fairness had a decent fanbase and a decent population within their catchment area and if I'm correct were averaging crowds of around 2,500. As I recall Griggs left them with the ground and debt free, and where are they now? Any chairman (or fan for that matter) should see their demise as a warning of the madness of bank rolling promotion and the flaws of this model.
To my mind you have to build your club from the ground up, like a business, and only ever pay a sensible percentage of your income after taking account of your costs. Pretty simple stuff really, but all too rare in football these days from the premiership right down to the lower levels of Non League. Its a lazy way to run a club, to just throw money at it and hope for the best and often leads to problems down the line. It should follow that if you want to increase your budget and thus chances of success you should be trying to build your club first by increasing attendences, selling more merchandise etc. Some will say you can achieve this by winning games, I agree to an extent, the product must be good. However you will only end up with the fair weather fans, who will desert you as soon as the money and results inevitably dry up. To me you try to build your fanbase by engaging with community over time via initiatives and kids tickets in schools, family offers etc. Thats what got me interested when I was young. Its a much slower burner I admit, but ultimately you will have a stronger fanbase that have a real emotional bond with the club. As your fan base increases you can justifiably increase your budget and the key thing, it is sustainable.
My main concerns for Gainsborough, as many of their fans have already informed us, they have a catchment area of approx 20,000 as opposed to Boston's 65,000. Clearly it is going to be more difficult for them to attract the crowds required for a sustainable push. Their fans tell us their attendence to population figures compare favourably to other clubs. That would suggest to me that they are unlikely to attract many more fans. Put simply, the catchment area is just too small to support the level of football they aspire to. When we then hear rumours they are paying figures like £500 per week for Jones you have to think they are living well beyond their means. The fact that Jones has been given a two year contract is also concerning as they are now presumably locked into paying this salary until June 2014. With the Chairman saying publicly he plans to stand down at the end of the season and reduce funding, it seems strange then to lock the club into paying high wages in the future. You dont have to be a genius to work out they are being subsidised to a considerable level. Mr Swann may be able to sustain this for a few seasons, but how long can this realistacally continue? If he is a businessman surely he will soon be looking for some return on his investment. You Gainsborough fans can keep burying your heads in the sand, but we've heard it all before here and we very nearly lost our club. And before you say Peter Swann is differnet, he loves the club etc etc, the Malkinson family owned this club for decades. But it hasn't stopped them upping our rent massively and refusing to extend our lease.
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The above post IMO is the best post this season, absolutely spot on Maxross.
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Agree totally!!!
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In fact I will go further than saying it is the best post this season, it should be sent to every football club in the country and pinned up in the Boardrooms.
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The above post IMO is the best post this season, absolutely spot on Maxross.
Thanks very much Tash & Shauney, glad somebody agrees! I love football but I worry for the future, even with all the money in the Premiership, clubs are living beyond their means and running high debt levels. At some point I think the bubble is going to busrt, I'm just glad we have someone in David Newton who is running the club sensibly.
Ugo Ehigu made an interesting comment in this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20274388 that young players are getting paid too much, potentially meaning they are not prepared to join clubs lower down the pyramid on lower wages.
Until the last few years, Lower League and Non League provided a sanctuary from the madness of the premiership, however it seems to be now following suit. I am hoping that at some stage sanity will prevail and we will return to Non League clubs being run sustainably.
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I agree and I'm so glad newton and co are running the club properly and the club is slowly but surely gettin sorted. It may take a little longer than the moaners would like but our club will get to where we want to be by being well run and sustainable. I hope we have some positive news on the new ground soon. we should all get behind the directors, management and players by doing that together we can achieve success.
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Excellent posts Maxross.
Non league does appear to be heading in the same direction as the pro clubs...agree.
Some points I would like to add though. Have the Conference/feeder leagues made it far more difficult for clubs to climb leagues, by insisting on so many ground grading rules?
For example, clubs like Trinity having to upgrade a Main stand to 500 seats when the whole ground very rarely gets this attendance. Seperate turnstiles, dug outs for 12, etc etc.
I understand Brackley are likely to fail in a bid for promotion due to their ground, and maybe struggling to stay in BSN.
Do the Conference rulers need to regionalise more? Gloucester/Worcester/Bishops....North....don't think so.
How about a "Cap" on payments to players, thus creating a level playing field, then let the clubs with the biggest attendance use that revenue to upgrade facilities and be more competitive in transfers.
For all PS and all other Chairmen's cash, I personally don't think the playing standards have improved over the last few years, and would say that the BSN is no better than the old NPL.
For all of PS "investment" over the last 4-5 years, the team IMO, play no better than Ernie Moss's side in the late 90's and have no better players than Ernie brought to the club and sustained a good level of football on 3-400 gates.
Football management is a lot, lot more that how much money you have to splash. ;)
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Looking at the teams battling relegation from BSP alot of them are teams from the north so I would say teams like stortford,Gloucester and Oxford would be moved to BSS?
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Thank you Feelinblue.
I agree with you to some extent, it can seem unfair for smaller clubs to have to make large scale investments in their grounds to gain promotion. Indeed, it is said investment in York St during the the earliy eighties led to a decline in Bostons playing budget and subsequently league placing. We have famously missed out on promotions thanks to ground grading issues in the past.
However, if Gainsborough were promoted to the Conference National you would be hosting well supported ex league clubs such as Luton, Lincoln, Wrexham etc, who I would imagine would bring a lot of travelling supporters. Lincoln for example filled the Town End when they visited York St. In games like these the ability of the stadium to host large numbers of fans safely is paramount. I must admit some of the rules do seem ridiculous. I believe we had to upgrade things like the dugouts and weren't our floodlight at one point deemed not quite bright enough on the centre of the pitch? Clearly certain standards are required though as clubs rise through the leagues.
I remember your side being very competetive in the 90's and some cracking games between us. Players like Simon Grayson and Phil Brown played for both clubs as I recall. Back then the clubs in this division were run much more sensibly and you were really able to gauge the abilty of managers to build their teams on low budgets. I remember Marine being all conquering on roughly 500 gates, but they also fell foul of the Conference ground grading rules. Todays managers are operating in a different environment and its hard to judge if a manager is talented, or just succeeding thanks to the money available.
I do agree that despite your investment, the quality has not improved much, Mr Swann has seen relatively poor value for his investment. A lot of this goes back to the inflated wages filtering through from the top level. To me though he should be trying to attract quality players who want to play for the club, not the money. Only one thing will truly motivate players recruited on that basis, and if the money goes, so will they. If I were him I'd be concentrating more on building the infrastructure and fanbase of the club. I would pay a modest playing budget the club could afford, and if I wished to invest further I'd invest in building a club fit for Conference National or higher Conference North. Investments that would increase the clubs fanbase and income generating potential. The old saying goes "If you build it, they will come" and I believe that.
A cap seems draconian although it could be effective. I know some unscrupulous chairman plan to get around the new fair play rules, which use percentage of income to define budget, by organising fictious inflated sponsorship deals. A cap would stop that but I'm not sure its the answer. I think transparency of clubs acounts, detailing playing budget, gate reciepts, outgoings etc would be one way of doing it. If the acounts and playing budget for every club were easily available for all to see in a standard league format, it would create an insentive for chairman to run their clubs responsibly. They could be released en bloc by the league in a format easily digestable by the average fan and contain stats, league tables etc. It would allow an easy comparison between clubs and highlight the badly run ones. It would also allow clubs to manage the expectations of their fans and would allow us fans to gauge the abilty of our managers against others.
Re: The North/South Regionalisation debate
Regionalisation will always throw up these problems as at some point a national league has to be distributed into regions. Unfortunately the clubs invloved in relegation aren't nice enough to organise themselves evenly into North and South and hence the problems begin!
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Some excellent points Maxross.
"If I were him I'd be concentrating more on building the infrastructure and fanbase of the club."
To be fair to PS, this is what he is trying to do, He has tried to obtain land and build a new Stadium, which was not helped in any shape or form by the local councillors/planners etc etc.
He has now made an offer to purchase the ground from the Landlords (Supporters club) and invest in their club facilities. This in an attempt to maximise Match day revenue.
Trinity have formed an U18 side and this is progressing well.
Back to an earlier point someone made, Improving the Fanbase of the club is very difficult. Lincoln Scunthorpe and Doncaster all within a 20mile radius which could be reasonable to travel to see Trinity play. But fans are "dyed in the wool" as this forum and ours will testify.
Good attractive football and the occasional Cup run will attract a few more punters, but not "real" supporters of the club.
The reality of it all is, Trinity are batting above their station and you guys are probally below yours.
If clubs like Hyde and Alfreton can acheive Conference football, then all of us have a fighting chance :)
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Why is he only looking at the ground now (recently)? Why not a few years ago? You could have been in a new ground by now...
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Why is he only looking at the ground now (recently)? Why not a few years ago? You could have been in a new ground by now...
Swann took over in December 2008 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/7797517.stm ). Announcements about potential new grounds and offers to buy the Northolme have been pretty much going on from that time; see this article from November 2009 for example
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_conf/8339170.stm
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Trinity have formed an U18 side and this is progressing well.
I watched their U18's not long ago, Jesus, they sure like to eat their chickens in Gainsborough, they were huge.
I think the years of building a club up are gone, football clubs are engrained in a community. New football clubs just fail to get the same involvement as those that built everything up in the heady days of large attendances and supporting your local team.
On the subject of Ground grading, isn't that sort of the leagues way of stopping boom and bust chairmen who don't invest in the infastructure of the club. It's just not done in the right way as non of the clubs can afford the stupidly large scales they put on these grades and those that invest seem to be stung for it further down the line... Darlington, Coventry, Rushden to name a few that have struggled following the megabowl dream.
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'Good attractive football'. Sorry but you have just lost all credibility
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Haha....i assume you have only seen Trinity once this season, at your place.
Didn't play particularly well on that day, and your lads deserved the win.
But as much as it hurts....the Blues are playing good attractive football IMHO. Seen some brilliant games at home & away this season and last.
Hope the home game against your lads is just as good :)
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Haha....i assume you have only seen Trinity once this season, at your place.
Didn't play particularly well on that day, and your lads deserved the win.
But as much as it hurts....the Blues are playing good attractive football IMHO. Seen some brilliant games at home & away this season and last.
Hope the home game against your lads is just as good :)
I seen them a few times this season, althou i will say you have looked decent and played some good stuff you do have a few weaknesses in the team.
While im sure you will agree where your team is strong its very strong but where its weak its very poor,
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Good attractive football most of this season and last doesn't seem to count for much when u look at the table. We have played some poor ugly crap most of this season and last and yet u are only 3 points in front, admittedly u have 3 games in hand but we are not going to lose any more games this season and u are, so BOO HOO YARDY DAR. ;) ;)
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And on that note....I will concede the argument to your superior Knowledge and wisdom ::)
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Der, I thought you would.
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I worry GD sees Jordan as a readymade replacement but from what I've seen his someway off the mark
http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Jordan-Smith-replace-departed-Mark-Jones-says/story-17939678-detail/story.html (http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Jordan-Smith-replace-departed-Mark-Jones-says/story-17939678-detail/story.html)
Called it! :dan :bunny
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He will certainly need to improve. He played really well on his first appearance for us but the last couple of games nothing special.