Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on September 25, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
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The season is over, how embarrassing to be left with nothing to play for as early as September! ;)
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Yep
That sums it up.
Apparently the management have said there is no point in us even being entered into the FA Trophy draw.
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The season is over, how embarrassing to be left with nothing to play for as early as September! ;)
You been reading that negetive trinity forum again.
Saying that if i was having a season like theres id be negetive.
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The season is over, how embarrassing to be left with nothing to play for as early as September! ;)
You been reading that negetive trinity forum again.
Saying that if i was having a season like theres id be negetive.
Tongue in cheek jib at some of the doubters last year, remember the Lowestoft non event?
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I am saying the same this year as last.
Getting knocked out at this stage has an effect on the budget for the rest of the season.
I know a budget has been agreed and hopefully without any kind of cup run, but any extra revenue would surely be welcome.
I could not make the match today but according to a friend we better start looking for a goalkeeper before the loan deal runs out. These are not my words just repeating. Anyway rose tinted glasses and all that ;)
Let's win this league :D
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I shared the same frustrations as many others today with regards to Butcher, but on reflection i can't help feeling his major problem is that he looks devoid of confidence. Its clear that the management rate him as no more than a back up. I guess its also one of the pitfalls of being a goalie that often you can go months without playing a competitive game and then be expected to perform when suddenly called upon. Its not like we can really send him on loan or off with the reserves as he's needed on the bench as a back up.
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i think we'll see a few changes soon like we did soon after going out at lowestoft last season.
gutted but onwards and upwards, in S&H we trust
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Although yesterdays result was disapointing I think the team changes were made with the veiw of looking at two players performances in particular, namely Cully and Davis. I think S&H used this game to asses their value to the squad, I would expect both to be released within a few weeks. As for the keeper if the Posh recall their keeper I am sure that we will know well in advance and am confident that the management team will have that base covered.
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So I was right about Cullingworth all along .....
It's a blow being out of F A Cup . .
Hope replacements can be found . . step forward the ' utility ' player ..
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Just hope we can sort out a decent keeper if Jimmy Mac doesn't stay with us after January, because Butcher is an absolute joke! What an embarrasment!
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How short some peoples memories are Butcher was outstanding when he had a long spell in the team and along with Elly and Miller kept us in the Unibond only 18 months ago, he performed well in the few games he played last season and played all but one of the league cup games last season and played well during pre season and now after one mistake after months without a game he isn't good enough?
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How short some peoples memories are Butcher was outstanding when he had a long spell in the team and along with Elly and Miller kept us in the Unibond only 18 months ago, he performed well in the few games he played last season and played all but one of the league cup games last season and played well during pre season and now after one mistake after months without a game he isn't good enough?
+1, people are living in cloud cuckoo if they think we'll get anything other than a young keeper waiting to learn his trade on the bench at our level.
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i think we all know how good he is,but is he at this level. as we know he is only going to be bench here and that meens he going to have to take his chance when he gets one, he a cracking lad but i just dont think he will make the grade but would be a good unibond keeper
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How short some peoples memories are Butcher was outstanding when he had a long spell in the team and along with Elly and Miller kept us in the Unibond only 18 months ago, he performed well in the few games he played last season and played all but one of the league cup games last season and played well during pre season and now after one mistake after months without a game he isn't good enough?
So the fact that he did ok in a struggling Unibond side makes him good enough for Conference North side in contention for a play off spot? I don't really follow that logic. All those players who 'helped keep us up' were released because they weren't good enough to get out of the Unibond. I don't think he is a terrible keeper but he makes mistakes and that makes me, and I would assume the back-line, nervous.
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The thing is it's the same every time we lose. Why can't people just accept defeat in a dignified way? Worcester where better than us on the day, we had an off day they probably had one of their better performances.
People are talking of getting rid of Cully, Davies and Butcher - who is going to replace them at this stage of the season and are we going to get any better considering we'll have the same budget? 3 in 3 out. And all this from a squad which gained promotion last season and have lost 1 league game this and are second in the league.
Sometimes I wander what planet some supporters are on and what will actually satisfy them, I'm guessing winning every game. We will lose more games this season of that there is no doubt and I'm sure after every defeat there'll be the same inquest on here that there always is after a defeat. When we win everyone goes into there shell why is that exactly?
A final note, there was someone who booed the team off at half time on Saturday, Rob Scott in particular looked annoyed at the said idiot. It's people like this that will drive the managers away and all the complaining on here won't help.
Rant over.
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Its ironic that people are coming on here condemming Butcher , last week Worchester fans on their forum was rejoicing at the at the prospect of facing Jamie Mckeown . Apparently when playing for them 2/3 years ago he was a bit of a disaster . Problem with us and many more teams is how do give your young goalie experience ?
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People are talking of getting rid of Cully, Davies and Butcher - who is going to replace them at this stage of the season and are we going to get any better considering we'll have the same budget?
I'm fairly sure there has been criticism of Butcher and Davies whenever they play. I personally don't think either are good enough really. Cully I don't mind, he didn't have the best game but he isn't a bad player going forward. Davies is slow, doesn't pass well and gives away too many free kicks. He wouldn't be my choice in midfield.
Butcher is a second choice 'keeper at this level. If he wasn't the managers wouldn't have brought McKeown in in the first place. You all go on about not questioning the managers decisions, well what about now? Do you really believe that if McKeown was allowed to play they would've dropped him? Same for Davies, if he is good enough why isn't he playing every week?
Also on the condemning McKeown front the fan I talked to said he played for them once and cost them two goals out of five in an expected drubbing. He was shaky for us first game out.
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All this slating a young goalkeeper is terrible, not even McKeown (or Joe Hart) would have stopped Worcesters first goal, it was a cracker, the second I feel he might have pushed round the post, but it was hard and low into the bottom corner, and their third goal I totally blame on our defence!!! and has for getting rid of him, are you going to say the same about Danny Davidson? he missed an easy one-on-one against their goalie, or SWD who missed a sitter near the end of the match that would've brought us level. I say get off Buthcher's back and give the lad a chance.
Rant over :(
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I completely agree, slating a young player will only harm his confidence and the only way he will get any better is if he plays competetive games. Maybe the managers should sign a back-up goalie on non-contract terms and send butcher out on loan.
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Personally I was disappointed that we weren't able to enter a reserve league that played their games mid week allowing Butcher to still sit on the bench on a Saturday although I understand that this probably not an option.
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Maybe the managers should sign a back-up goalie on non-contract terms and send butcher out on loan.
<< This.
Bartmac, he's been given a chance several times and there are obviously still questions otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion on here. I'm not Davidson's biggest fan, in fact I don't really like the way he plays at all; he is clearly effective though as is SWD.
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Personally,i don't think Butcher is good enough.There are to many shortcomings in his game for me.Having said that it would be wrong to blame him alone for what went wrong in the first half against Worcester.The problem i have is that four chanes in one game was two too many.
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well i think cully and davies are only good for putting on for 10-20 minutes at the end of a game. cully lacks the pace and sometimes looks like he makes the wrong decisions when passing, he seems to play TOO safe when we are wanting to go forwards when options are there for him. As for davies hes just a more foul giving churchy. doesnt go with the right options. i really hope they do prove their worth but at the minute they seem almost like extra weight which we could get rid of and have something more effective instead
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well i think cully and davies are only good for putting on for 10-20 minutes at the end of a game. cully lacks the pace and sometimes looks like he makes the wrong decisions when passing, he seems to play TOO safe when we are wanting to go forwards when options are there for him. As for davies hes just a more foul giving churchy. doesnt go with the right options. i really hope they do prove their worth but at the minute they seem almost like extra weight which we could get rid of and have something more effective instead
You have to understand the club has the same budget as last year (we are lead to believe) the club is asking the players to perform at a higher standard for the same wage. Its plainly obvious some players performances are going to be more eratic this season, moreover this makes team selection more important. The cup game saturday was lost in team selection, so the managers must take the blame. Almost all agree that if the side that pulled the two goals back had started we probably would have won.
As for your comments about Cully if you think hes slow then what about the 5 or 6 slower in the team. Davies the same as Churchy, you really have no idea.
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well i think cully and davies are only good for putting on for 10-20 minutes at the end of a game. cully lacks the pace and sometimes looks like he makes the wrong decisions when passing, he seems to play TOO safe when we are wanting to go forwards when options are there for him. As for davies hes just a more foul giving churchy. doesnt go with the right options. i really hope they do prove their worth but at the minute they seem almost like extra weight which we could get rid of and have something more effective instead
You have to understand the club has the same budget as last year (we are lead to believe) the club is asking the players to perform at a higher standard for the same wage. Its plainly obvious some players performances are going to be more eratic this season, moreover this makes team selection more important. The cup game saturday was lost in team selection, so the managers must take the blame. Almost all agree that if the side that pulled the two goals back had started we probably would have won.
As for your comments about Cully if you think hes slow then what about the 5 or 6 slower in the team. Davies the same as Churchy, you really have no idea.
Does Davies not play the same role as Church (combative midfielder?) I always thought he was there to sit infront of the back four and kick people, much as Church does.
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Davies is a player you only really notice when he plays badly. He doesn't have the flair of Church, or the passing ability. He's a tackler first and foremost, probably more suited to a 3 man central midfield.
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well i think cully and davies are only good for putting on for 10-20 minutes at the end of a game. cully lacks the pace and sometimes looks like he makes the wrong decisions when passing, he seems to play TOO safe when we are wanting to go forwards when options are there for him. As for davies hes just a more foul giving churchy. doesnt go with the right options. i really hope they do prove their worth but at the minute they seem almost like extra weight which we could get rid of and have something more effective instead
You have to understand the club has the same budget as last year (we are lead to believe) the club is asking the players to perform at a higher standard for the same wage. Its plainly obvious some players performances are going to be more eratic this season, moreover this makes team selection more important. The cup game saturday was lost in team selection, so the managers must take the blame. Almost all agree that if the side that pulled the two goals back had started we probably would have won.
As for your comments about Cully if you think hes slow then what about the 5 or 6 slower in the team. Davies the same as Churchy, you really have no idea.
Does Davies not play the same role as Church (combative midfielder?) I always thought he was there to sit infront of the back four and kick people, much as Church does.
you beat me to it.
also the cup game was probably lost in the team selection but if those players were good enough to replace the "first choice players" we shouldnt have that problem. granted i know we run on a very tight budget it does not give me much confidence if those "first choice players" get injured.
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Ive got it you two are on a wind up ;D. LCB you should not say your vote for player of the year last season went to a player who you now say sits in front of the back four and kicks people. I will forgive your memory lapses or do you like watching Stoke or Bolton. Perhaps the managers better tell him to stop popping up in the opposition box and tapping the ball in , because hes clearly out of position ;).ps good job he was out of position at Bradford in may.
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Ive got it you two are on a wind up ;D. LCB you should not say your vote for player of the year last season went to a player who you now say sits in front of the back four and kicks people. I will forgive your memory lapses or do you like watching Stoke or Bolton. Perhaps the managers better tell him to stop popping up in the opposition box and tapping the ball in , because hes clearly out of position ;).ps good job he was out of position at Bradford in may.
church does not just sit infront of the back 4 and just kicks people as people who watch him play notice, he is more the starting building block around a team, even though pearson was my player of the season last season and always performs well. he does not have the gel that church creates in the team, church gets up front, gets in defence, scares teams and is a physical player but theres alot of players like that who are less skillful that church who kick the proverbial shit out of players bu thats all they are there for. Church works his bloody heart out for this team and it shows.
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Yes we do have a tight budget,but at least we still have a football team to support, who despite all the restrictions are second in the league, and Butcher will mature into a decent non league goalkeeper,and Davies will get match fit and improve, so remember these guys wear the amber and black and dont deserve this shit.
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Although yesterdays result was disapointing I think the team changes were made with the veiw of looking at two players performances in particular, namely Cully and Davis. I think S&H used this game to asses their value to the squad, I would expect both to be released within a few weeks. As for the keeper if the Posh recall their keeper I am sure that we will know well in advance and am confident that the management team will have that base covered.
One down one to go. Having said that I wish Gareth all the best on his return to Matlock
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There must be someone on the way in,otherwise we're looking desparately short of midfielders.
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There must be someone on the way in,otherwise we're looking desparately short of midfielders.
My exact same thought. Cully is one person that could play in there and Newsham as cover for the wing spots. But there is not a lot of cover for Church/Sleath.
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Davies has probably gone there for match fitness. Having said that agree with OCM and LCB we are desperately short of cover for centre mid. Would expect them to bring someone in and if they do a job Davies move will probably be permanent. Can't see Cully going anywhere though.
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RS & PH must be happy with the lads that they have got, Cully and the Young lad Harry Dean can play in midfield if needed im sure, they must think a bit of the Young lad as they keep him involved and have not loaned him out like the other youngsters, but it would not suprise me if they sign another midfielder just to add a little more strenght to the squad.
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With players out on loan, and presumably not draining the budget as quickly, and the first team almost picking itself from the squad, to sign someone else to sit on the bench at this time would seem a waste of resources.
Later in the season when the ground starts to get heavy and the bookings start incuring bans, then we should have some money left to sign new faces to aid our push towards the conference.
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Time to integrate a couple reserve/youth team players into the first team squad?
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I haven't seen the reserves yet - are there any decent prospects in central midfield who could fill in for Sleath or Church?