Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: youngchubby69 on December 31, 2016, 01:54:26 AM
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Here we go, I know I am going to open a can of worms here.
What is everyone's thoughts on this, I have personally struggled with this for sometime.
Should Non League be semi professional only, or just national league North & South and below.
What do you think are the pros and cons of it all.
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As TTT states this has been debated many times .
The short answer is very big gates or a sugar daddy , otherwise no option but to stay p/t .
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Let the clubs choose how they wish to employ their players, BUT limit their wage budget to 50% of turnover. For every season they comply, add 5% - upto 75% (reward diligence) - and vice versa (with points deducted from the next season).
This makes clubs concentrate not just on getting results, but earning money off the pitch.
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Yep, dictating whether players are full or part time isn't the answer. Having rules like the Financial Fair Play that are being applied by UEFA to Premier League in non league would be a good idea.
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Chestnuts had a very good year .. ;)
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Well of its been debated before,we shouldn't debate ot again, END OF DEBATE.
Happy New Year, oh I probably shouldn't say that,it may of been said before.
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TTT at least I am trying to be sociable and interactive with others, if you don't want to take part in a debate don't post, I think its rude and condescending just to make a comment like that.
You may have been a member on here for a long time,but that does not give you the right to belittle new members post's.
I will keep posting,as this is a forum of which I am member like you.
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TTT at least I am trying to be sociable and interactive with others, if you don't want to take part in a debate don't post, I think its rude and condescending just to make a comment like that.
You may have been a member on here for a long time,but that does not give you the right to belittle new members post's.
I will keep posting,as this is a forum of which I am member like you.
Oh that is where you are wrong. They really do believe they can belittle and be as rude as they like
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TTT at least I am trying to be sociable and interactive with others, if you don't want to take part in a debate don't post, I think its rude and condescending just to make a comment like that.
You may have been a member on here for a long time,but that does not give you the right to belittle new members post's.
I will keep posting,as this is a forum of which I am member like you.
You are right to debate the subject yc69 , I think by the season end other forums in our league will be debating the subject with the same realisation that is dawning on clubs (Fylde, Kiddy, Salford ) . With Fylde and Kiddy favourites to go up I think this will alert clubs that f/t is vital if promotion is a serious target .
I may be wrong but I doubt TTT comment was meant to be rude or patronising , as some of us have found out it,s sometimes easy to take comments out of context .
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Its an increasingly unequal world you know :-\
Hopefully at some stage ,BUFC will give these clubs a run for their money .
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TTT at least I am trying to be sociable and interactive with others, if you don't want to take part in a debate don't post, I think its rude and condescending just to make a comment like that.
You may have been a member on here for a long time,but that does not give you the right to belittle new members post's.
I will keep posting,as this is a forum of which I am member like you.
You are right to debate the subject yc69 , I think by the season end other forums in our league will be debating the subject with the same realisation that is dawning on clubs (Fylde, Kiddy, Salford ) . With Fylde and Kiddy favourites to go up I think this will alert clubs that f/t is vital if promotion is a serious target .
I may be wrong but I doubt TTT comment was meant to be rude or patronising , as some of us have found out it,s sometimes easy to take comments out of context .
you're right GHM, thanks for the backup. At the risk of being rude and patronising, message directly to YC69, don't come on here, newbie, and start picking fights. Post all you like, but to quote you, I will continue to do the same, newbie. I'm a member just like you, newbie. Now that's what I call patronising, newbie.
Disappointing response , I was trying to be a peacemaker not fan the flames , hope you both bury the hatchet and start the new year on good terms otherwise I will go down as the worst peacemaker since Tony Blair .
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Agreed :-X
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GHM many thanks for your peace keeping efforts,much appreciated.
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As predicted in my previous post above another club has today announced it is going full time . Harrogate have announced that from beginning of next season they will become full time . I foresee at least four full time teams in the league next season .
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GHM do you think we will be heading that way once the new stadium is built.
Perhaps bringing Adam in is the start of the process.
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GHM do you think we will be heading that way once the new stadium is built.
Perhaps bringing Adam in is the start of the process.
Can only speculate yc69 , but seeing Adams ambition so far I would think this will be his target .
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GHM do you think we will be heading that way once the new stadium is built.
Perhaps bringing Adam in is the start of the process.
Can only speculate yc69 , but seeing Adams ambition so far I would think this will be his target .
I suppose we never know what is really discussed behind that boardroom door,but after all the chestnuts have already put a lot of money and time in , I would imagine they have bigger plans afoot for this club.
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GHM do you think we will be heading that way once the new stadium is built.
Perhaps bringing Adam in is the start of the process.
Can only speculate yc69 , but seeing Adams ambition so far I would think this will be his target .
I suppose we never know what is really discussed behind that boardroom door,but after all the chestnuts have already put a lot of money and time in , I would imagine they have bigger plans afoot for this club.
I have not heard anything said that suggests The Chestnuts will be doing anything other than handing the club and stadium over to a new board probably made up of business people who are BUFC fans and the stadium becomes a community facility, this is roughly what David said at the beginning of this project, although I hope personally they do remain involved we owe them so much.
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I totally agree oxo, it would be nice for the club to be partly run and guided by the fans, and yes I do hope David and Neil will be still be involved.
I do truly believe that if they had not stepped in,the club would not be here today,and the ground.
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It's great that they did save the club but let's wait and see if the ground will be built to spec.
You must remember that there is a hell of a lot of money to be made for the owners of York street and also for our current chairman and both sites will be worth ££££££s both funded by one common thing the building of homes.
If our current chairman delivers and decides to stay after the build and invest some more of his well earnt house money then we may be able to challenge and go full time.
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I totally agree oxo, it would be nice for the club to be partly run and guided by the fans, and yes I do hope David and Neil will be still be involved.
I do truly believe that if they had not stepped in,the club would not be here today,and the ground.
I take it you mean the new ground ? Regarding that, i would like to know if all those who were constantly saying just a month or two ago that this new stadium won't get built, and that the Chestnuts are going to walk away leaving us in the poop are now going to accept that they are wrong ?
My view on clubs going full or staying part time at this, and lower levels of non league - I think it has two sides to it, the moral side of spending over your means just to try and gain success, and the ambition of those willing to put money into a club. For years now, we at Boston have had a two sided debate to all of this. Some of us slag off other teams who have lower gates than us but have money, yet on the other side of the coin, some of these same fans are also demanding promotion and buying better players to achieve this. What is the right way ? Would we reject someone coming in with say half a million to spare ?
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Achieving promotion from the Nat Con North will increasingly revolve around clubs becoming full-time . The best hope for part timers will be to achieve 5th spot for play-offs .
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I understand what you are saying shrimp,but the chestnuts would have got the planning accepted for the Quadrant development with or without the stadium being built, this is purely down to the lack of housing stock in Boston, the council has got a government target to reach, on building new homes,which I understand is over a 1000 by 2020.
York Street as fat as I know is still owned by the Malkinson family and not Chestnut Homes, so I would imagine the ground will be sold off to the highest bidder,which may not be Boston United's current owners.
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Achieving promotion from the Nat Con North will increasingly revolve around clubs becoming full-time . The best hope for part timers will be to achieve 5th spot for play-offs .
Hasn't worked for Nuneaton and Stalybridge this season.
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Achieving promotion from the Nat Con North will increasingly revolve around clubs becoming full-time . The best hope for part timers will be to achieve 5th spot for play-offs .
Hasn't worked for Nuneaton and Stalybridge this season.
I think Stalybridge are not full time now . But it did not work for them in the past nor Nuneaton as you say . Both mainly took cheap young unproven rejects from higher clubs hoping to blend them into a good unit .
As we know a different approach from Fylde with money no object , Salford to follow suit . Harrogate already have one of the biggest budgets in the league and I suspect they will increase it, but this will be less problematic as Simon Weaver appears to be fireproof as his dad is the man pumping money into the club . Weaver has had 7 years with a decent budget and made little impact . Don,t think things will change .
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Sound comment GHM and very true,especially the Simon Weaver comment, he is a really nice chap and always shows our fans respect when he comes to York Street.
But as you say he has sadly under performed since becoming manager at Harrogate.
I think his family have the club by the balls,so to speak and it will take a massive buy out to change thongs there.
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Achieving promotion from the Nat Con North will increasingly revolve around clubs becoming full-time . The best hope for part timers will be to achieve 5th spot for play-offs .
Hasn't worked for Nuneaton and Stalybridge this season.
I think Stalybridge are not full time now . But it did not work for them in the past nor Nuneaton as you say . Both mainly took cheap young unproven rejects from higher clubs hoping to blend them into a good unit .
As we know a different approach from Fylde with money no object , Salford to follow suit . Harrogate already have one of the biggest budgets in the league and I suspect they will increase it, but this will be less problematic as Simon Weaver appears to be fireproof as his dad is the man pumping money into the club . Weaver has had 7 years with a decent budget and made little impact . Don,t think things will change .
Really you'd need to be fireproof wouldn't you with his record. It isn't great for the amount thats spent
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In many ways the C north is the new C national . . what with full time teams and big backers.
I think Bostons owners comfortable just getting a competitive team at present ..
How did f/t work when Boston were in The League ? Did players move to Costa del Boston ?
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I am not quite sure were the players lived when we were in the Football league, I don't think many of them lived local though.
Probably most of them travelled to train and play,much like they do today.
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From the outset the Chestnuts have always said that they will develop an area with housing that includes a stadium and hand the club over to a 'supporters' trust'. Not sure the further detail was ever announced.
They never wanted to run a club as such, it is a building development for them, but to achieve that aim they have had to run a club in the meantime. Profit made from such a development plus any grants etc. will pay for the stadium.
The Chestnuts saved the club at the time, with an eye for a profit down the line. Let's hope its a 'win, win' situation.
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From the outset the Chestnuts have always said that they will develop an area with housing that includes a stadium and hand the club over to a 'supporters' trust'. Not sure the further detail was ever announced.
They never wanted to run a club as such, it is a building development for them, but to achieve that aim they have had to run a club in the meantime. Profit made from such a development plus any grants etc. will pay for the stadium.
The Chestnuts saved the club at the time, with an eye for a profit down the line. Let's hope its a 'win, win' situation.
The supporters trust was mentioned earlier in this thread by oxo who expressed a desire for Chestnuts to remain involved in the club . Don,t think it will happen but I would prefer to see Chestnuts retain FULL ownership of the club . Too many supporters trust have been failures
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Yes GHM I do see what you mean,many trusts have failed.
I would like to see the new stadium ownership put into some sort of trust,or fan ownership to safeguard the ground against any new owner coming into just asset strip.
I don't know if this would be possible at all.
I think Trinity's ground belongs to the fans/blues club,and they refused to sell it Peter Swan when he was chairman.
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I would like to see the new stadium ownership put into some sort of trust,or fan ownership to safeguard the ground against any new owner coming into just asset strip.
I don't know if this would be possible at all.
I think Trinity's ground belongs to the fans/blues club,and they refused to sell it Peter Swan when he was chairman.
It is being done so.
http://www.bostonstandard.co.uk/sport/football/boston-united/trust-in-the-future-boston-united-begin-plans-to-safeguard-pilgrims-1-6179461
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Well-done for finding that article,answers alot of questions.