Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Old yellow on June 15, 2013, 05:33:56 PM
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According to Spalding site Nathan has signed for them
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No big lose really not good enough for our level but now very short in defensive areas.
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No loss hey? Nathan was the only defender to give 100% in every game and was the outstanding player of the season in away games. I was told a few weeks ago he was offered a deal same as last year ( which I understand was amongst the lowest in the squad) and was asking for another 20 quid a week. If he was offered a deal the manager clearly wanted him but if a measely £20 cannot be found I fear for the quality of any further signings, for goodness sake lets have something from the club to lift the spirits as I am beginning to regret purchasing my season ticket so early.
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The signings so far have been decent and I'm sure there is players out there who can replace stainfield.
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I wouldn't say he is no loss, however based purely on quality, there are better players out there at this level.
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Nathan was one of the very few who gave 100% in every game and he's going to be a big miss.
I can only assume its more money at Spalding, but given what I hear he was on here, which was a pittance and less than I earn in a day, I guess it was a no brainer of a decision.
I'm with oxo, I'd love to find a positive for next season but there aren't any........the club are selling the support short again and its disgraceful.
Good luck Nathan.
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Very likeable lad who gave his all for the shirt. If he was offered more elsewhere then so be it, didn't think he currently had quite enough to be first choice and hoped he would develop over the year. We already have a player to develop in Ward so maybe 2 in the squad was too many anyhow.
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Nathan was a good player who gave 100% every game. but the club as a budget and if people are not happy that we are not paying that extra couple of quid then why not go support spalding or ferriby. Id have a 10th place BSBN club over no club in 2 or 3 years time over a club buying there way up the table.
Good luck to Nathan and if he wants to take the step down for the extra few quid then i cant blame him. as for us we just get on with it
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You can give 100% of your ability but if your crap then your crap.
Bye bye deadwood
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You can give 100% of your ability but if your crap then your crap.
Bye bye deadwood
ohh bit harsh but with The Milky Bar gone then surely more money in the pot to get good replacement
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Spot on bostonshire and we move on and support the club and the new lads. Plenty of time to get replacements in no need to panic but we do need a new centre half and left back urgently. I agree we have ward as a development player so no big loss. Just my opinion.
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I,m sorry to see Nathian go , always sad to see a genuine clubman leave , although many Spayne Laners will disagree . Time will tell if it is a move to bring in an acceptable experienced defender .
Certainly a great signing for Spalding .
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Spalding's typical attendance: 250
Typical admission for United Counties League: £7
Gate receipts per game: 250 x £7 = £1,750
Boston's typical attendance: 900
Typical admission for Blue Square North: £10 (to keep the maths easy)
Gate receipts per game: 900 x £10 = £9,000
Our gate receipts are more than five times what Spalding get. I know the rent is crippling us and I know there's historical debt, but when you consider the gate receipts alone it is a poor show if Spalding can out-budget us on the playing front.
I liked Stainsfield as a player. I thought he was a candidate for player-of-the-year, particularly away from home. Whatever his shortcomings, he is far too good for the United Counties League. He can't have moved for footballing reasons and it can only be about the money. Like Jamie Yates before him, he's now gone down in my estimation.
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Spalding's typical attendance: 250
Typical admission for United Counties League: £7
Gate receipts per game: 250 x £7 = £1,750
Boston's typical attendance: 900
Typical admission for Blue Square North: £10 (to keep the maths easy)
Gate receipts per game: 900 x £10 = £9,000
Our gate receipts are more than five times what Spalding get. I know the rent is crippling us and I know there's historical debt, but when you consider the gate receipts alone it is a poor show if Spalding can out-budget us on the playing front.
I liked Stainsfield as a player. I thought he was a candidate for player-of-the-year, particularly away from home. Whatever his shortcomings, he is far too good for the United Counties League. He can't have moved for footballing reasons and it can only be about the money. Like Jamie Yates before him, he's now gone down in my estimation.
I think 200 is more like Spaldings average YSP . Working on your estimate of £1750 recipts :
Take away Vat about £350
Energy bills say £IOO
Match officials ,
travelling costs £250
This leaves about £500 pound a week for wages at most .
Remember a signing they made last week is reputed to be on £350 per week . ?
Not the sort of way I want to see our club run .
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Over 400 GHM ! Not as much as Evans gave him!
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ONLY two more to go and its a complete clean out, thats what GREENE wanted.
good luck to Nathan I like young players who will drop to lower leages for game play.
IF he gets good money that's a bonus.
I cant help thinking the 2 that's left with us maybe should have gone with the first batch.
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Spalding's typical attendance: 250
Typical admission for United Counties League: £7
Gate receipts per game: 250 x £7 = £1,750
Boston's typical attendance: 900
Typical admission for Blue Square North: £10 (to keep the maths easy)
Gate receipts per game: 900 x £10 = £9,000
Our gate receipts are more than five times what Spalding get. I know the rent is crippling us and I know there's historical debt, but when you consider the gate receipts alone it is a poor show if Spalding can out-budget us on the playing front.
I liked Stainsfield as a player. I thought he was a candidate for player-of-the-year, particularly away from home. Whatever his shortcomings, he is far too good for the United Counties League. He can't have moved for footballing reasons and it can only be about the money. Like Jamie Yates before him, he's now gone down in my estimation.
I think 200 is more like Spaldings average YSP . Working on your estimate of £1750 recipts :
Take away Vat about £350
Energy bills say £IOO
Match officials ,
travelling costs £250
This leaves about £500 pound a week for wages at most .
Remember a signing they made last week is reputed to be on £350 per week . ?
Not the sort of way I want to see our club run .
They could cut their energy bills by contacting Broker Gas Renewals
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I say good luck to Nathan...he always gave 100%...but sometimes not even that can be good enough when you are obviously deficient in certain aspects of your game...Im sure if DG really wanted to keep Nathan that would have been reflected in what the club offered him...
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You can give 100% of your ability but if your crap then your crap.
Bye bye deadwood
well said. 100% means naf all if your not good enough. if we you all want boston united to win the league then all players must be of at least con prem standard and above. that will not happen because their is no money. we just have to put up with what we get for many years to come.
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ONLY two more to go and its a complete clean out, thats what GREENE wanted.
good luck to Nathan I like young players who will drop to lower leages for game play.
IF he gets good money that's a bonus.
I cant help thinking the 2 that's left with us maybe should have gone with the first batch.
Been away for a few weeks so just need an answer to the question:-
Which two are left? 8)
Thanks :dan
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I don't believe we've been out budgetted by Spalding. He would have been bit part for us, he'll be first team there so they'll look to give him a bigger chunk of the money.
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ONLY two more to go and its a complete clean out, thats what GREENE wanted.
good luck to Nathan I like young players who will drop to lower leages for game play.
IF he gets good money that's a bonus.
I cant help thinking the 2 that's left with us maybe should have gone with the first batch.
Been away for a few weeks so just need an answer to the question:-
Which two are left? 8)
Thanks :dan
IF you cant remember the last 2 defenders names then they did not do anything for you either ;) ;)
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I don't believe we've been out budgetted by Spalding. He would have been bit part for us, he'll be first team there so they'll look to give him a bigger chunk of the money.
Weve been out budgetted by Spalding!
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ONLY two more to go and its a complete clean out, thats what GREENE wanted.
good luck to Nathan I like young players who will drop to lower leages for game play.
IF he gets good money that's a bonus.
I cant help thinking the 2 that's left with us maybe should have gone with the first batch.
Been away for a few weeks so just need an answer to the question:-
Which two are left? 8)
Thanks :dan
IF you cant remember the last 2 defenders names then they did not do anything for you either ;) ;)
Not many mind readers on here miele , if you had stated defenders then the likes of E K and myself would not have been confused !!!!!
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Hope this does not make way for Ward. The far better option has gone
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Just in case the link doesn't work, Spalding averaged 116 last season.......... :-\
I know they and Holbeach are the classic boom and bust clubs, they seem to attract investment for a season, they get all the better players from the locality in and then when the money runs out they all de-camp to the next cash cow.
I don't really buy this 'greedy' image either in Nathan's case, he was on a pittance here and would have been possibly not guaranteed a start, and he'll be getting pocket money at Spalding but get a game every week.......its not like he's a Yeats who'd swap clubs for a tenner and trot out the usual bullshit to justify it.
Plenty of time to bring in someone else but we're mid June now, most of the decent players have been signed up now by ambitious clubs. I'd love to class us in that category but we're not, we're stagnant in lower mid table and if we don't soon see something positive on the ground front we'll be the next Worcester City.
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Im begining to wish we would fold with all the winging and moaning going on at the mo, simple fact that last year the club made a good loss again. So what ever people say about 1000 people on gates etc its still doesn't pay the bills, If our budget had to be cut to 0 to allow the club to break even and we sat in no mans land and league for 10 years. id support that choice. Remember watching footy in what ever league we are in is far better than shopping with the wife every saturday.
I wouldn't support any bank roll to bring in any players, even if that ment we was left to feed of scraps
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People are entitled to whine and moan, we get charged almost the highest prices of admission and yet we've had two seasons of utter garbage now and no sign of any improvement. Things looked to be on the up while S&H were here but we've allowed all that momentum to be wasted and we're almost back to where we started in the NPL. Two shocking managerial appointments haven't helped for sure but all the goodwill and groundswell of support built up after the Evans years and the rebuild has gone and its not coming back unless we make a statement of intent on the playing side.
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Thing is in S&H days why they did a awsome job here at Boston we did make 2 massive losses in those season which also shows our budget was way to much at the time.
How losses still show we are over spending in the budget. We all need to face that that unless a uniq managers turns up we will be a mid table team. As for the statment of intent who going to fund it?. 1 Player for example at 150 a week 38 weeks is £5700, to make a good statment id guess you want at least 5 or 6. thats over 30k to find from no where from a club losing 50 to 100k a season.
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As we don't know what the budget is we are all speculating. Having read the article three times in the NLP today by David Newton I am still trying to make sense of it. The first paragraph in bold print states " Boston United players are under no pressure to finish in the play-offs, despite their prolific early transfer window activity" It then goes on to quote Mr Newton as saying " The goal is improvement. We want to see progression and we want to make the play-offs, that is the aim. But if we fall short of that then it would still be seen as progress. I think we are looking well at the moment". It then goes on to say that Greene will have the same budget as Jason Lee last year. So nobody is any the wiser regarding the budget with the exception of the board, Messrs Greene and Lee. It would be unfair for me not to quote what the Chairman said towards the end of the peice, " We are trying to get Boston United on a break even basis. Other clubs are happy to run up a massive deficit and we have to compete with that. I can't do anything about it; we are trying to build a stable football club."
As I said a rather strange article but one that clearly says that until we are in a far better financial position it looks like we should not build up any unrealistic expectations.
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Newton is a very sensible and realistic businessman. He is totally right and he will give us a club we can be proud of once again and I agree we can't go boom or bust like other clubs. It's not sustainable and will end in tears. True Boston united fans should understand this and stick with the club and support them cos without newton and kempster we wouldn't have a football club that's a fact. Be very grateful and let's get behind the lads for this coming season. Together we can be succesful and achieve things.
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As we don't know what the budget is we are all speculating. Having read the article three times in the NLP today by David Newton I am still trying to make sense of it. The first paragraph in bold print states " Boston United players are under no pressure to finish in the play-offs, despite their prolific early transfer window activity" It then goes on to quote Mr Newton as saying " The goal is improvement. We want to see progression and we want to make the play-offs, that is the aim. But if we fall short of that then it would still be seen as progress. I think we are looking well at the moment". It then goes on to say that Greene will have the same budget as Jason Lee last year. So nobody is any the wiser regarding the budget with the exception of the board, Messrs Greene and Lee. It would be unfair for me not to quote what the Chairman said towards the end of the peice, " We are trying to get Boston United on a break even basis. Other clubs are happy to run up a massive deficit and we have to compete with that. I can't do anything about it; we are trying to build a stable football club."
As I said a rather strange article but one that clearly says that until we are in a far better financial position it looks like we should not build up any unrealistic expectations.
What is a massive deficit?
(Latest accounts of BUFC show liabilities of £1.7m)
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As we don't know what the budget is we are all speculating. Having read the article three times in the NLP today by David Newton I am still trying to make sense of it. The first paragraph in bold print states " Boston United players are under no pressure to finish in the play-offs, despite their prolific early transfer window activity" It then goes on to quote Mr Newton as saying " The goal is improvement. We want to see progression and we want to make the play-offs, that is the aim. But if we fall short of that then it would still be seen as progress. I think we are looking well at the moment". It then goes on to say that Greene will have the same budget as Jason Lee last year. So nobody is any the wiser regarding the budget with the exception of the board, Messrs Greene and Lee. It would be unfair for me not to quote what the Chairman said towards the end of the peice, " We are trying to get Boston United on a break even basis. Other clubs are happy to run up a massive deficit and we have to compete with that. I can't do anything about it; we are trying to build a stable football club."
As I said a rather strange article but one that clearly says that until we are in a far better financial position it looks like we should not build up any unrealistic expectations.
What is a massive deficit?
(Latest accounts of BUFC show liabilities of £1.7m)
It's relative to turnover surely, Massive in our case would be larger than massive in for example North Furbies case.
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As we don't know what the budget is we are all speculating. Having read the article three times in the NLP today by David Newton I am still trying to make sense of it. The first paragraph in bold print states " Boston United players are under no pressure to finish in the play-offs, despite their prolific early transfer window activity" It then goes on to quote Mr Newton as saying " The goal is improvement. We want to see progression and we want to make the play-offs, that is the aim. But if we fall short of that then it would still be seen as progress. I think we are looking well at the moment". It then goes on to say that Greene will have the same budget as Jason Lee last year. So nobody is any the wiser regarding the budget with the exception of the board, Messrs Greene and Lee. It would be unfair for me not to quote what the Chairman said towards the end of the peice, " We are trying to get Boston United on a break even basis. Other clubs are happy to run up a massive deficit and we have to compete with that. I can't do anything about it; we are trying to build a stable football club."
As I said a rather strange article but one that clearly says that until we are in a far better financial position it looks like we should not build up any unrealistic expectations.
What is a massive deficit?
(Latest accounts of BUFC show liabilities of £1.7m)
A massive deficit is only a problem if the person you owe it to calls it in, Mr Newton in our case and Mr Swan in Trinitys. If that person decides to leave and not call in the debt then all is well, if not s**t and fan comes to mind.
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What is a massive deficit?
(Latest accounts of BUFC show liabilities of £1.7m)
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A massive deficit is only a problem if the person you owe it to calls it in, Mr Newton in our case and Mr Swan in Trinitys. If that person decides to leave and not call in the debt then all is well, if not s**t and fan comes to mind.
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Quite agree, but some people want him to throw even MORE at it or they're staying away etc.
How about if we season ticket holders offered up an extra £100 each????
Wouldn't clear anything BUT may enable DN to get in the calibre of player that the "moaners" want!
Be worth it to get them off here :)
Mind you I still don't think they would stop.
Well done to lazy/tap in Newsham btw.
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Can anyone update me on who else hasnt signed from the remainders of last yr , not sure about Marshall / fairclough / ward / G Mills / Milnes?
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Are we entitled to a transfer fee for Stainsfield?
We've offered him terms and he's only 24. (As I understand it, 24 is the cut-off point for being able to ask for a transfer fee). And let's face it, if Spalding can afford some of the wages they're supposed to be paying they can afford to pay the odd transfer fee or two.
If we are entitled to something then I hope somebody at the club is actively pursuing this. If Lee and Canoville had handled things better a couple of years ago then we'd have got something from Barrow for Adam Boyes, and I wouldn't want history to repeat itself.
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Are we entitled to a transfer fee for Stainsfield?
We've offered him terms and he's only 24. (As I understand it, 24 is the cut-off point for being able to ask for a transfer fee). And let's face it, if Spalding can afford some of the wages they're supposed to be paying they can afford to pay the odd transfer fee or two.
If we are entitled to something then I hope somebody at the club is actively pursuing this. If Lee and Canoville had handled things better a couple of years ago then we'd have got something from Barrow for Adam Boyes, and I wouldn't want history to repeat itself.
Dont think he was on a contract?
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Are we entitled to a transfer fee for Stainsfield?
We've offered him terms and he's only 24. (As I understand it, 24 is the cut-off point for being able to ask for a transfer fee). And let's face it, if Spalding can afford some of the wages they're supposed to be paying they can afford to pay the odd transfer fee or two.
If we are entitled to something then I hope somebody at the club is actively pursuing this. If Lee and Canoville had handled things better a couple of years ago then we'd have got something from Barrow for Adam Boyes, and I wouldn't want history to repeat itself.
Boyes was not interested in signing contract , he made it clear when he came that he was looking for a club in a higher league .
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And now he's in the same league......... ;D
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And now he's in the same league......... ;D
Not for long. He's joined Gateshead. :)
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And now he's in the same league......... ;D
Not for long. He's joined Gateshead. :)
He's not the only one leaving them. Barrow boss, Dave Bayliss, has the task of building a new seventeen or eighteen man squad from scratch with all of last season's squad looking like they will ply their trade elsewhere.
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
WARD in the standard yesterday, I wonder if he his trying to say help someone come and get me out of hear.
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
WARD in the standard yesterday, I wonder if he his trying to say help someone come and get me out of hear.
Doesn't read like that at all to me... more likely that he's desparate to play every week, rather than being a bit-part player.
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
WARD in the standard yesterday, I wonder if he his trying to say help someone come and get me out of hear.
Doesn't read like that at all to me... more likely that he's desparate to play every week, rather than being a bit-part player.
Hope you read the greens better than that miele.!!!! ;)
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
WARD in the standard yesterday, I wonder if he his trying to say help someone come and get me out of hear.
Doesn't read like that at all to me... more likely that he's desparate to play every week, rather than being a bit-part player.
Hope you read the greens better than that miele.!!!! ;)
desparate to play every week :) :)
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Probably Nathan was going to sign but his name wasnt on the wanted list when he turned up ;)
WARD in the standard yesterday, I wonder if he his trying to say help someone come and get me out of hear.
Doesn't read like that at all to me... more likely that he's desparate to play every week, rather than being a bit-part player.
Hope you read the greens better than that miele.!!!! ;)
desparate to play every week :) :)
JUST MARSHALL to go and that's them all gone,to be fair GREENE did slag all the defence off in a way that left them with no choice but to move on.