Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Lord Cutler Knobhead on November 14, 2013, 08:48:17 PM
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....hope you've got the band width, as this place might be busy in the up and coming days.
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Any updates?
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It all looks very 'Dartford meets Burton' in a bland, uninspiring sort of way.
However, its a lot better than the 3 sided effort I thought we'd end up with.
What about a bit of identity for the stands? A gable? A clock? A scoreboard?
Anything to break the blandness?
Lets try and build something that really stands out like York St did after its revamp 30 years ago, not something that looks like about a dozen other new builds over the last 2 decades.
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Come on N40
first negative post of the night
lets not upset MyLeftFoot
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Its not negative, its an observation.
We are owned by house builders, what about a bit of flair and imagination?
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Sooner see flair and imagination on the pitch ;)
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Just seen the Quadrant plans.
As impressive as they are I can see some serious objections from the residents around Tytton Lane, London Rd and Wyberton.
It could be a rocky road ahead.
But I'm impressed, lets just hope the stadium plans are revised with a bit more imagination.
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This is what the consultation period is for. What a excellent project for the future of our football club. We must support this else wwe won't have a club to support.
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Just seen the Quadrant plans.
As impressive as they are I can see some serious objections from the residents around Tytton Lane, London Rd and Wyberton.
It could be a rocky road ahead.
But I'm impressed, lets just hope the stadium plans are revised with a bit more imagination.
Never known a sizable plan in Boston thats failed to raise objections .
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personally i love the new design. a capacity to suit our needs, modern design and on a route that is quite accessible. NF, just a question. what exactly would you prefer design wise going into detail ?
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It all looks very 'Dartford meets Burton' in a bland, uninspiring sort of way.
However, its a lot better than the 3 sided effort I thought we'd end up with.
What about a bit of identity for the stands? A gable? A clock? A scoreboard?
Anything to break the blandness?
Lets try and build something that really stands out like York St did after its revamp 30 years ago, not something that looks like about a dozen other new builds over the last 2 decades.
You must be looking at a different York St than me Andy , managed there all these years and no one has complained about a lack of clock .
As Newton indicated many amendments will be made along the way .
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http://thequadrantboston.co.uk/
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One objection from the residents in the area could be the fact that Q1 will take 7 years before it is completed.
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Andy I fully realise where you are coming from on this, but what must be understood is that these are very early days, being there tonight I was very impressed with some of the finer details of the stadium which you are probably not aware of eg, In each area of the stadium that provides food and drink outlets in comfortable and sheltered areas will also provide television screens to enable fans to keep up to date with scores on satellite tv at half time etc. You and all supporters will have every opportunity to have the finer details you mention considered, indeed the board are encouraging such input.
I am sure you are right about the possible objections from local residents but this is why we the fans of the club should look at the wider picture and give our full backing to the club by expressing our support and lobbying our local and county councillors.
You have to admit that these fantastic plans would not fit on the back of the fag packet the previous prats produced.
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Anything which helps diversify the occupational base of the Town should be welcome .
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Mel, I wonder if the club has explored the possibility of setting up a fans consultation group with regards to what they want in regards of the stadium?
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If it does go ahead, it would be within walking distance of me and I mean 5 minutes walk.
Check the grass knoll and the chips and curry :bunny
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I think the whole thing looks very exciting. On n40s point id like to see a large mayflower ship like on the badge above the main stand
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(http://0.tqn.com/d/architecture/1/0/n/r/TampaBayPirateShip.jpg)
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Ha ha brilliant, yes thats the sorta idea. Maybe a little large though. Maybe more of a black metal although a smaller version of that sort of thing. Probs leave the skull off though :)
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Maybe have a bar in it selling knock off sailors vodka?
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I could work. Whats the endeavour up to we could use it. (See how i used the Endeavour-Lord Cutler Beckett link ;D)
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lets go the whole hog and have a ruddy great fountain in front of it!!.........money is tight and if it has to be basic,so be it
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Fer crying out loud Andy give it a chance. Got to agree with Oxo, it's VERY early days and there will surely be changes to nearly every aspect of the scheme. Anyway a clock would be a distraction to the players, we want footballers not clock watchers.
Love the ship over the stand, perhaps we could have a stand with a large dark cloud over it where the miseries can gather.
If you are reading this Mr Newton is there any chance of a direct road to Westwood fishing lakes so I could make a full glorious day of it.
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If you are reading this Mr Newton....
No doubt he is but if not then Erica Glegg will report back to him anyway. I think the whole project looks great for Boston as a town if it can get pushed through. No doubt it will have a few losers along the way, maybe these need looking after....
One thing that I don't understand or have maybe missed, but I thought a Quadrant had four pieces and this one only as two....so far.
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Perhaps one quarter is the stadium, another quarter is the housing development next to the A16, another quarter is the housing development near to Wyberton Chain Bridge and the final quarter could be the Marina. It could be that perhaps Mr Newton and Mr Kempster are crap at maths. Who knows ?
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Perhaps one quarter is the stadium, another quarter is the housing development next to the A16, another quarter is the housing development near to Wyberton Chain Bridge and the final quarter could be the Marina.
It could be, no doubt we'll get clarification in due course.
One thing I do know for sure is my lad (U15's CofE) is looking forward to being one of the first to play in the new stadium.
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Mel, I wonder if the club has explored the possibility of setting up a fans consultation group with regards to what they want in regards of the stadium?
Being at the presentation last night Andy it was clear Chestnuts have thought of everything the fans will demand in a new stadium . In fact when you get to scutinise the plans I think you will find it contains many things we fans would not have thought of .
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Being a single parent I was unable to attend........
One of the many joys of my situation in life......... :-\
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I wasn't at last night's forum yet even I know there's going to be a workshop when fans can have their say in the designs...
Haven't had chance to look at the plans in much detail yet but superficially they good good to me. Yes, it's a shame the club will have to move out of the town centre, it's not ideal, but it's unrealistic to think they could stay.
All i would say is that the plans look exceptionally ambitious - this will be a massive development, the biggest the town will have seen in my lifetime, and I certainly don't envy Newton and Kempster having to win around locals and a council that is historically quite conservative. That said, it seems BBC have been working alongside the club for some time now - which certainly wasn't the case with Sotnick's proposal - which can only help.
All-in-all, very impressive. Kudos all round.
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I wasn't at last night's forum yet even I know there's going to be a workshop when fans can have their say in the designs...
Haven't had chance to look at the plans in much detail yet but superficially they good good to me. Yes, it's a shame the club will have to move out of the town centre, it's not ideal, but it's unrealistic to think they could stay.
All i would say is that the plans look exceptionally ambitious - this will be a massive development, the biggest the town will have seen in my lifetime, and I certainly don't envy Newton and Kempster having to win around locals and a council that is historically quite conservative. That said, it seems BBC have been working alongside the club for some time now - which certainly wasn't the case with Sotnick's proposal - which can only help.
All-in-all, very impressive. Kudos all round.
Agree with all that Pete excecpt after last night this great move can,t come soon enough , I am sure we will look back over the great times at YS but admit what a tired and outdated stadium it has become .
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I agree that York Street is now looking tired and dated. It's a lovely old stadium which will be missed but the time is right for a move. Even if Boston COULD stay, the work required to maintain it over the next 10-15 years would be substantial.
What I was actually referring to was the town centre location. Let's be honest, being able to go for a few drinks in the town centre and pop across to the football is something everyone is going to miss even more than YS, and it's an increasingly rare matchday experience across the country these days. But, as I say, staying close to the centre is simply not an option. What the club have delivered here is the next best thing. It's not a ground lost within a giant, soulless retail park; I like how it stands apart as a separate entity, and the rest of the quadrant development should ensure it doesn’t feel too isolated on the edge of town – certainly not as much as the Boardsides would have done. The stadium itself is exactly what I would have wanted for the club – the main stand really looks the part, and I’m sure there are numerous inexpensive tweaks that could be made to give it a sense of ‘identity’.
A lot of work has gone into this, which explains why we’ve been waiting so long for an announcement. I have seen in the last hour that the leader of the BBC is very positive about the development. It’s massive for Boston - let’s just hope the town gets behind it.
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I was asked to speak on Radio Lincolnshire this morning which I did. What impressed me was just before I spoke Scott had been talking live to the leader of Boston Borough Council, He stated he was thrilled and excited by the plans and had been in talks for a long time with Chestnut Homes and had found it difficult to keep the meetings under wraps, He also said all the proposals fell within the Boston plan regarding new homes and roads, all very encouraging. For those that couldn't be there last night David, Neil and team will be presenting all the plans in a similar manner to last night to the full council on Monday evening. You know what is really impressive and why we supporters should do everything we can to ensure these plans come to fruition is the fact that it was us the fans who were chosen see them first.
Just to remind everyone there will be a fans consultation workshop in the Pilgrims Lounge between 7pm and 9pm on Wednesday 27th November. I know there are those in Andy's position who find it difficult to attend in the evening but there is also to be a public exhibition at the ground in the Cropley Lounge on Saturday 25th November 12 to 5pm. Also the exhibition will take place on Wednesday 4th December where everyone can call in, ask questions and make suggestion.
Sorry to have gone on a bit just trying to inform those who could not be there last night. By the way Rossy was buying drinks for the manager and board trying to secure a 4yr contract so he can lead the team out at the new stadium.
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Just got to say how impressive this all looks.
As already mentioned I can totally understand why this has taken so long, this is by no means just a new stadium but an expanding part of town , just looks great, if this doesnt inspire the club from top to bottom nothing will. My only request is a footbridge over the river for the Fishtoft Crew to save on fuel.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01lm25t
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Has anyone thought what we might name the ground? Surely it won't be called 'The Quadrant'!
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Name ??
Whichever sponsor coughs up most money.. like every where else .
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It's incumbent on everyone with an interest in BUFC to get behind this plan and convince the council. If the Chestnuts can pull this off then deserve a knighthood and the freedom of the town! I have every confidence that they've thought about this long and hard and considered every option.
If this doesn't happen then I don't see Boston United surviving as a football club.
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Listening to 'sensible' Scott Daltons breakfast show to glean any reaction ..
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The new link road should be called Newton Way...
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Roof floodlights do look good.but may be expensive & difficult to site as one end is 'open'..
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Surely roof floodlights would be too low?
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Surely roof floodlights would be too low?
Yes , planners never miss a trick they have to take into consideration that there are teams that play hoof ball :)
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Has anyone thought what we might name the ground? Surely it won't be called 'The Quadrant'!
The New Kemp (see what I did there :) )
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Has anyone thought what we might name the ground? Surely it won't be called 'The Quadrant'!
Pie in The Sky, Breezeblock Park.
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Surely roof floodlights would be too low?
Far, far too low, yes. Pylons the only way forward.
Actually, that's where the designers can make a big difference to the overall feel of the ground. Stick up four cheap, generic looking sticks, the kind you see absolutely everywhere, and the ground will look and feel more like the Deva Stadium. Take a bit of care and have something a little more 'designer', like the Trent Bridge lights (although I'm not suggesting they should be that big) and the place instantly seems a lot smarter.
What are the lights like at Burton?
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Has anyone thought what we might name the ground? Surely it won't be called 'The Quadrant'!
Pie in The Sky, Breezeblock Park.
Mr Shoddy being downbeat again!!! ???
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I wasn't there last night - it's difficult sometimes to get back to Boston for a 7:45 kick-off so a 7:00 forum was a bit of a non-starter. For the same reason the 7 o'clock consultation workshop on 27th November is going to be awkward, so I'm hoping there'll be other mechanisms by which supporters from away from the town can have their views heard. Maybe there ought to be some kind of similar workshop bolted onto the back of a home game?
From what I've read and heard since last night the plans are looking very good, so congratulations to David Newton and everyone else concerned.
In terms of ideas for the stadium, did anyone else pop into the museum area of Wincham Park the last time we visited Witton Albion? Witton's ground is generally nothing to write home about, but what they have done is set a room up with all sorts of their club memorabilia - old programmes, newspaper cuttings, team photos and kits from yesteryear, etc. - all neatly on show behind glass cabinets. There's even a 1920s seat salvaged from their old stadium before they moved grounds. I'd never seen a non-league club do anything like that before, and even as an away supporter it was very interesting to look around. It was only a small room, but it set Witton apart from just about every other stadium in the Unibond League.
I've looked on line but have only found one image - which doesn't really do the whole room justice - but this is effectively what they've done ...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wEA-NCb0UoI/TZZDLWiTttI/AAAAAAAAGLk/oIJT-cG1O7U/s1600/P1050983.jpg)
We all understand the need for moving to a new stadium and having looked at the plans on-line it can't happen soon enough. York Street has been a great stadium but we have to move on. At the same though it'd be nice to have an area somewhere within the stadium which is accessible to fans and which acts as a momento to our heritage and our history and helps maintain our identity after we've left York Street. We've beaten Derby 6-1 in the FA Cup, been to Wembley and played in the Football League. We've had famous players and plenty of club legends down the years, so we wouldn't be short of things we could commemorate.
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Yes ..good idea lp it has to happen .
DerbyCounty worked a lot of memorabillia and pics into their coffee bar ..built into the corner of Pride park .. so accessible in the daytime and probably used by non football fans and business people as well .
Yes the options are endless . . .
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Disabled access and ease of future development has to be kept in mind, but I think if the smaller stands were elevated (so that even the first row of terracing was elevated) then it would make the stadium look neater in terms of having stands of a similar height. It would also allow more space for advertising - with two rows of hoardings (as the Fantasy Island Stand has) as opposed to one. We don't want one stand dwarfing the others to the same extent as at Mansfield.
DN spent a good few minutes highlighting the thought gone into disabled access with elevated access in the main stand with full field of vision for all.
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Wonder if the local M P is showing any interest and is he being lobbied ?
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Report just been on ITV's Calendar.
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Wonder if the local M P is showing any interest and is he being lobbied ?
Contact his office manager , she may know.
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Plans were passed a few months ago for a new marina to be built in Boston - what I find odd is how the Q2 plans also incorporate a marina. Surely Boston isn't big enough or there isn't sufficient demand to support two marinas?
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Other good news from last night was that DN said he was confident that Scott Garner will stay for the season.
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Just seen the Quadrant plans.
As impressive as they are I can see some serious objections from the residents around Tytton Lane, London Rd and Wyberton.
It could be a rocky road ahead.
But I'm impressed, lets just hope the stadium plans are revised with a bit more imagination.
Never known a sizable plan in Boston thats failed to raise objections .
never known a sizeable plan in boston that went ahead.
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This has got to happen else boston united fc will no longer exists it's that simple and this is a massive boost to local economy and provides the town with modern facilities and 450 jobs.
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This has got to happen else boston united fc will no longer exists it's that simple and this is a massive boost to local economy and provides the town with modern facilities and 450 jobs.
And much needed houses
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W Y P all council tax payers in Boston remember a £8million white elephant being given planning permission .
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Come on N40
first negative post of the night
lets not upset MyLeftFoot
Ahh...... so nice you remember me KON, thanks ;)
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I wasn't there last night - it's difficult sometimes to get back to Boston for a 7:45 kick-off so a 7:00 forum was a bit of a non-starter. For the same reason the 7 o'clock consultation workshop on 27th November is going to be awkward, so I'm hoping there'll be other mechanisms by which supporters from away from the town can have their views heard. Maybe there ought to be some kind of similar workshop bolted onto the back of a home game?
From what I've read and heard since last night the plans are looking very good, so congratulations to David Newton and everyone else concerned.
In terms of ideas for the stadium, did anyone else pop into the museum area of Wincham Park the last time we visited Witton Albion? Witton's ground is generally nothing to write home about, but what they have done is set a room up with all sorts of their club memorabilia - old programmes, newspaper cuttings, team photos and kits from yesteryear, etc. - all neatly on show behind glass cabinets. There's even a 1920s seat salvaged from their old stadium before they moved grounds. I'd never seen a non-league club do anything like that before, and even as an away supporter it was very interesting to look around. It was only a small room, but it set Witton apart from just about every other stadium in the Unibond League.
I've looked on line but have only found one image - which doesn't really do the whole room justice - but this is effectively what they've done ...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wEA-NCb0UoI/TZZDLWiTttI/AAAAAAAAGLk/oIJT-cG1O7U/s1600/P1050983.jpg)
We all understand the need for moving to a new stadium and having looked at the plans on-line it can't happen soon enough. York Street has been a great stadium but we have to move on. At the same though it'd be nice to have an area somewhere within the stadium which is accessible to fans and which acts as a momento to our heritage and our history and helps maintain our identity after we've left York Street. We've beaten Derby 6-1 in the FA Cup, been to Wembley and played in the Football League. We've had famous players and plenty of club legends down the years, so we wouldn't be short of things we could commemorate.
What an excellent idea LP, I hope the club take note and incorporate this great idea into the plans, which in the most part look excellent. I agree that small things like this can make all the difference.
I also agree with N40's in that it would be nice to see some details added that distinguish the new ground from so many others. But I do believe the current plans are a very good starting point.
My only other slight concern would be the levels of elevation of spectators above the pitch. Personally I like to be quite high up to get a decent overview of the pitch. It looks like the standing areas particularly will provide very little in terms of elevated vantage points.
Overall though it looks a very well thought out project and it's great tinder details like the concourses on each stand and elevated vantage points for disabled spectators.
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Plans were passed a few months ago for a new marina to be built in Boston - what I find odd is how the Q2 plans also incorporate a marina. Surely Boston isn't big enough or there isn't sufficient demand to support two marinas?
Perhaps even three marinas http://www.brp-architects.com/projects/master_planning/fishtoft_marina_lincolnshire/index.php (http://www.brp-architects.com/projects/master_planning/fishtoft_marina_lincolnshire/index.php)
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Wonder if the local M P is showing any interest and is he being lobbied ?
He is taking an interest in the way that the Planning Department is behaving.
These plans look good.
Forget the clock and the ship, we need a large statue of Sir David Newton outside the stadium :dan
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Is there room for a driving range at the east side of the ground? Would bring in a steady income all year round. Would be well located and no near competition.
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Is there room for a driving range at the east side of the ground? Would bring in a steady income all year round. Would be well located and no near competition.
definitely not the best use of land, theres already 2 driving ranges in town
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Is there room for a driving range at the east side of the ground? Would bring in a steady income all year round. Would be well located and no near competition.
definitely not the best use of land, theres already 2 driving ranges in town
What best use would you suggest? remember it must generate a steady income. How about putting a speedway track or banger racing in the plans. The plans would be thrown out, but the residents would be so relieved that they would accept the watered down plans, simples ???
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its not such a bad idea,easier to get to than boston west or boston golf club,low set up cost and an awful lot of folks play (or attempt to play ;D) the game
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its not such a bad idea,easier to get to than boston west or boston golf club,low set up cost and an awful lot of folks play (or attempt to play ;D) the game
Sure to get mieles backing
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Plans were passed a few months ago for a new marina to be built in Boston - what I find odd is how the Q2 plans also incorporate a marina. Surely Boston isn't big enough or there isn't sufficient demand to support two marinas?
Perhaps even three marinas http://www.brp-architects.com/projects/master_planning/fishtoft_marina_lincolnshire/index.php (http://www.brp-architects.com/projects/master_planning/fishtoft_marina_lincolnshire/index.php)
I'm so sure the marina at fishtoft in those plans is currently on the table.
There were moves in 2008 to develop a marina in the same area but nothing came of it because of the costs involved.