Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Pilgrim86 on February 22, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
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King;
Marshall, Garner, Piergianni, Steer;
McGhee, Ross, Agnew, Semple;
Newsham, Miller
SUBS: Galinski, Milnes, Weir-Daley, Fairclough, Vince
Bloomer on the bench for Harrogate. Dixon is on the Notts County bench for their game with Shrewsbury.
Seems a bit lightweight in midfield?
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The passing will most likely improve with Ross in the side.
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4 minutes gone, Piergianni sent off...
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Conspiracy theory :( are we getting too close to the top?
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16 minutes gone, King sent off...
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Oh dear >:(
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Well,the ref wanted to make a name for himself.he has one from me >:(
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He is the ref who got injured in the colwyn bay v altrincham game that got abandoned sure i remember him down York st as well
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We're 1-0 down, as are Tinpot at home to Worcester.
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I'm there. Ref hasn't give one this Boston's way. Both certain red cards.
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North ferriby losing to Gloucester
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Why do we always seem to shoot ourselves in the foot.
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Because we're Boston, we don't do easy. :-\
And anyone who comes up with conspiracy theories is talking crap, its ancient history now what happened with the fat twat. You get days like this, both reds were nailed on, whats the ref supposed to do?
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Because we're Boston, we don't do easy. :-\
And anyone who comes up with conspiracy theories is talking crap, its ancient history now what happened with the fat twat. You get days like this, both reds were nailed on, whats the ref supposed to do?
are you there ? Andy.
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The boy is, he tells me both were nailed on, Pidge brought the guy down as last man and King handled outside the box.
Rules are rules, I remember when we had SWD & Fairclough sent off v Alty and there was uproar, but both were 100% straight red cards, what is a ref supposed to do? If it were the other way we'd expect fair play.......its a two way thing.
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Struggle to imagine what goes through some players heads at times.
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Was King's handball denying a goalscoring opportunity? If not, it shouldn't be red...
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The boy is, he tells me both were nailed on, Pidge brought the guy down as last man and King handled outside the box.
Rules are rules, I remember when we had SWD & Fairclough sent off v Alty and there was uproar, but both were 100% straight red cards, what is a ref supposed to do? If it were the other way we'd expect fair play.......its a two way thing.
No problems mate just thought you was there.
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I presume it's still 1-0 in which case considering the circumstances BU are doing well to keep it that way. Wouldn't it be good if we could come back and win 2-1.
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2 reds and now 2 off injured down to 1 keeper and 6 outfielder. ref is clueless
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3-0 down with 7 men playing .....
I know what I'd do... Do a Warnock do go down to 6 and get it abandoned
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4-0.........
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3-0 down with 7 men playing .....
I know what I'd do... Do a Warnock do go down to 6 and get it abandoned
I think we are above that, but I know we would have not long ago
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One of those days where i am quite relieved to be stuck at work.
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In unusual circumstances like today I bet 99% of managers would do it
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Cannot believe that the ref is clueless after all he is approved by the FA and taken the appropriate exams, ooops silly me, the FA are also clueless and licence any idiot who can read and write, the refs don't have to have ever actually kicked a football. I think all refs should be ladies.
Its a horrible thing to say but I hope someone else on our side gets slightly injured, only for today though.
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Well done Boston, we never took the cheats way out.
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At least we didn't take the cowards' (aka Warnock's) way out - although if we had we wouldn't have been punished for it. Bad week for Club.
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Sir Steve wouldn't have taken the cheat's way out - would he? ;D
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I would.
And so would a lot of others.
Its been a crap fortnight, losing to two rivals, losing Pidge for 3 games and picking up a few injuries.
Sometimes football is shit. >:(
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On the bright side, England are, at the moment beating the Irish in the rugby! ;)
Check the grassy knoll and the chips and curry. :bunny
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......losing Pidge for 3 games......... .
Hopefully only one game if not violent?
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I would.
And so would a lot of others.
Its been a crap fortnight, losing to two rivals, losing Pidge for 3 games and picking up a few injuries.
Sometimes football is shit. >:(
Will it be three games? I assumed it would be one.
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I thought Serious Foul Play was 3?
I know violent conduct is 3 games........professional foul wasn't it?
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Listening to Dennis Greene in his interview I can't understand why Galinski didn't go off injured if as he says the Harrogate players didn't just play passing to themselves as their bench agreed. He said Galinski was I jure and shouldn't have played on. If that was the case play by the rules and the match would have been abandoned.
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Listening to Dennis Greene in his interview I can't understand why Galinski didn't go off injured if as he says the Harrogate players didn't just play passing to themselves as their bench agreed. He said Galinski was I jure and shouldn't have played on. If that was the case play by the rules and the match would have been abandoned.
Possible fear of being called cheats????
If the game was abandoned would the score stand or be replayed???
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I thought Serious Foul Play was 3?
I know violent conduct is 3 games........professional foul wasn't it?
Professional foul is only 1 game ban, so both will miss Workington away.
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It's the injuries that worry me more than the suspensions. I'd have had no concerns over bringing any injured player off, abandonment regardless. Wrong call for me, if he is not able to continue then don't.
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Quite correct Adam.
Its all well and good people getting pious about the whole 'cheats' scenario, but to me, the welfare of our players is paramount.
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It's the injuries that worry me more than the suspensions. I'd have had no concerns over bringing any injured player off, abandonment regardless. Wrong call for me, if we is not able to continue then don't.
I'm confused. I thought the agreement was for him to sit on the touchline and Harrogate to pass the ball around, to avoid the embarrassment of the match being abandoned? The result was fixed after 75 mins was it not?? That's what I read on Twitter so I could be wrong....!! What are the rules?
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I would.
And so would a lot of others.
Its been a crap fortnight, losing to two rivals, losing Pidge for 3 games and picking up a few injuries.
Sometimes football is shit. >:(
Forcing Galinski to play on while injured may also cost us, he is Peirgianni's replacement.
Just a bonkers, bonkers day. I'm not sure the first was a red, seemed very soft. Was too busy still laughing at the first red to see the second red clearly (the pitch may be flat-ter, but the view is still poor there.) He handled, but were others back covering? After that is was a farce, they were poor and we saw no football at all for our money.
At 1-0 down with 9 men we looked the more likely to score which was just insane.
Forget about today, who the hell is gonna play next week if all those players can't get back fit?
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The day got off to a good start with Harrogate officials providing us supporters with sandwiches and sausage rolls free of charge in the clubhouse, a nice touch.
From there it was all down hill. Regarding Pidges sending off we were standing at other end it looked as though the Harrogate lad wrong footed him and he caught him certainly it was not a violent tackle and he was sent off for denying a goal scoring opportunity. Fans at that end of the ground said it warranted a yellow but I was not in a position to tell. Certainly the overweight ref almost fell over running to the incident whilst trying to extract the red card from his pocket and did not even look to his lino.
No defence for Kings red rushing well outside his area with his arms up, ref had no option.
Harrogate were very physical and inflicted some poor fouls on our lads one in particular on Mc Ghee which resulted in him having to limp off and out of the game which did't even get a yellow.
We left 5 minutes before the end as the game had become a farce but I do worry about the injuries which did not look good. It was good to see Liam Marrs there on his crutches but he informed me it would be 4 months before he will be back playing.
Hopefully we will be able to put out a competitive team against Hendesford next week.
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Listening to Dennis Greene in his interview I can't understand why Galinski didn't go off injured if as he says the Harrogate players didn't just play passing to themselves as their bench agreed. He said Galinski was I jure and shouldn't have played on. If that was the case play by the rules and the match would have been abandoned.
Possible fear of being called cheats????
If the game was abandoned would the score stand or be replayed???
How badly injured were the other two players who came off after the 3 subs made? Could one have returned instead of Galinski?
If match abandoned, then Boston would have faced bigger penalty (possible fine, points deduction and result standing)
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Steer clearly couldn't play on, took help to get him around the pitch to the dug out.
McGhee was taken clean out in a horrendous challenge and I don't expect him to be fit for a few weeks so of those off, the only one able to take his place on the pitch was the hamstring pulled Galinski.
He should of simply sat down in the centre circle and seen the game out. How any Harrogate fan can accuse Greene of instigating the whole thing and it not just being a freak occurrence is beyond me, officials from their club even had the cheek to mouth off at the fans that our team was a disgrace.
Stupid thing is that the only bad challenge in the game was the McGhee one that resulted in no card. Our reds were for handball and a tangle with a player running through.
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Listening to Dennis Greene in his interview I can't understand why Galinski didn't go off injured if as he says the Harrogate players didn't just play passing to themselves as their bench agreed. He said Galinski was I jure and shouldn't have played on. If that was the case play by the rules and the match would have been abandoned.
Possible fear of being called cheats????
If the game was abandoned would the score stand or be replayed???
How badly injured were the other two players who came off after the 3 subs made? Could one have returned instead of Galinski?
If match abandoned, then Boston would have faced bigger penalty (possible fine, points deduction and result standing)
McGhee was struggling to walk and Steer left the ground on crutches (according to the press). Which would you prefer we put back on the field?!
Why would we have been penalised for having injured players? I'd accept it, if we'd had 2 injured, all subs used, then 2 sent off, and then we deliberately tried to get another player red carded. What if it had been 5 broken legs, after all subs used? Would you want us punished for that, too?
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Conspiracy theory :( are we getting too close to the top?
No conspiracy, just the ref doing his job.
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Listening to Dennis Greene in his interview I can't understand why Galinski didn't go off injured if as he says the Harrogate players didn't just play passing to themselves as their bench agreed. He said Galinski was I jure and shouldn't have played on. If that was the case play by the rules and the match would have been abandoned.
Possible fear of being called cheats????
If the game was abandoned would the score stand or be replayed???
How badly injured were the other two players who came off after the 3 subs made? Could one have returned instead of Galinski?
If match abandoned, then Boston would have faced bigger penalty (possible fine, points deduction and result standing)
McGhee was struggling to walk and Steer left the ground on crutches (according to the press). Which would you prefer we put back on the field?!
Why would we have been penalised for having injured players? I'd accept it, if we'd had 2 injured, all subs used, then 2 sent off, and then we deliberately tried to get another player red carded. What if it had been 5 broken legs, after all subs used? Would you want us punished for that, too?
If teams don,t get penalised for failing to finish games it would bring farce to the game . Can think of a few managers getting games called off with injuries when losing vital matches .
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You just have to put today down to a very bad day at the office.
I really hate to see and hear officials being pulled apart by managers and supporters, just remember, without them there is no game. They make mistakes, they are human, Craig thinks Pidge's dismissal was unjust, others think different.........the only opinion that matters is the ref's and you won't change that.
We've exceeded expectation so far this season, today could prove pivotal with missing key personnel for some key games. I'd hate to see the season unravel because of today, now more than ever Denis needs to start earning his corn.
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You just have to put today down to a very bad day at the office.
I really hate to see and hear officials being pulled apart by managers and supporters, just remember, without them there is no game. They make mistakes, they are human, Craig thinks Pidge's dismissal was unjust, others think different.........the only opinion that matters is the ref's and you won't change that.
We've exceeded expectation so far this season, today could prove pivotal with missing key personnel for some key games. I'd hate to see the season unravel because of today, now more than ever Denis needs to start earning his corn.
Agree
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Really hope I am wrong but today could end our season, not simply the result but 4/5 key players missing along with the news that Marrs will be out for the whole season and the very promising Dixon been recalled by Notts County.
Having said the above though we are still 5th and that would be exactly where we want to be in a couple of months still but both Harrogate and Alty have games in hand. We need to regroup after this and an unlucky defeat against Brackley.
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There's always two sides to a story. Reading Harrogate's forum we made the substitutions and Galinski feigned injury to get the game abandoned! A game to forget? Time to stop ' talking the talk' about promotion and start 'doing the do' if the players really have the ability. I don' t think they have the metal to do it or the ability. Hope I'm proved wrong.
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On the plus side Craig has tweeted that the suspensions should be one match and against Workington whom with all due respect are bottom so we should see this as a must win game despite the suspensions.
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There's always two sides to a story. Reading Harrogate's forum we made the substitutions and Galinski feigned injury to get the game abandoned! A game to forget? Time to stop ' talking the talk' about promotion and start 'doing the do' if the players really have the ability. I don' t think they have the metal to do it or the ability. Hope I'm proved wrong.
Galinski went back on so the game did not get abandoned so there talking out there butt.
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farcical!!!
the reason we are unlikely to be in the play offs is our inability to play well away from home against the top sides.
Against the other top 5 sides away from home we have lost them all.
Its a shame because the league this year is more wide open than many previous years and more consistency and a few better results would have put us right in there. We are not out of it yet, but have a mountain to climb now
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Tbf. The first one should have been yellow. As ive said he wasn't the last man look on harrrogates web page even weaver thinks its harsh. No idea y people comment on the game when not even there
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What with the impending suspensions, and injuries, surely the next couple of games will be ideal for testing out some of our reserve team players, after all that's what a reserve team is for!!
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What with the impending suspensions, and injuries, surely the next couple of games will be ideal for testing out some of our reserve team players, after all that's what a reserve team is for!!
I have to admit i wasnt that bothered bout the game after, i just chalked it up and put it down to a week to forget, but your point regarding Suspensions and injuries does worry me a bit
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I would imagine that with Dixon returning to Notts County, we have room in the budget for another loan deal. With Galinski and Steer injured, we need defensive cover.
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The first red card was never a sending off. We had two defenders behind pidge. It was a very bad day at the office and we must quickly regroup and bounce back as we are still in a very decent position most fans would have taken this position at start of season for sure? Certainly could do with a couple of solid additions to the squad...
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The first red card was never a sending off. We had two defenders behind pidge. It was a very bad day at the office and we must quickly regroup and bounce back as we are still in a very decent position most fans would have taken this position at start of season for sure? Certainly could do with a couple of solid additions to the squad...
(http://www.harrogatetownafc.com/wp-content/gallery/boston-united-22-feb-2014/8-foul.png)
Not conclusive but Connor is very close at the time. Also interested to know what angle the ref saw it from as he isn't in shot there.
I suspect the shot before and after would give a better idea, but they were never going to publish those, just as there is no photo of the McGhee challenge.
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Conor looks to be about 3 or 4 yards away... sure ly the benefit of the doubt must go to Pidge for it?!
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It doesn't matter how close the other defender is. This 'last man' thing is a nonsense - if he's denied a goal scoring opportunity, that's exactly that. Doesn't matter if there were 2 BUFC players beside him.
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It has to be an 'OBVIOUS' goalscoring opportunity. With a covering defender, how is it obvious?
You could say any foul is denying a goalscoring opportunity - as you can score from any part of the pitch.
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Get over it It would have been interesting to read the comments if the boot had been on the other foot.
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Conor looks to be about 3 or 4 yards away... sure ly the benefit of the doubt must go to Pidge for it?!
And closer than the ball!
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Dont really matter who was there,Last man etc. He got sent of no time to worry about know. what happened at Harrogate is past time to move on forget it as a bad week all round and look forward to next week. i still believe the playoffs are in our own hands. Gonna be a hard one for players to pick themselfs up from last week but us as fans can help them next sat at the ground.
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Get over it It would have been interesting to read the comments if the boot had been on the other foot.
Anyone with common sense would say it was harsh as even SIMON WEAVER said it was harsh
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Because we're Boston, we don't do easy. :-\
And anyone who comes up with conspiracy theories is talking crap, its ancient history now what happened with the fat twat. You get days like this, both reds were nailed on, whats the ref supposed to do?
Lets look at the evidence, relegated only once through normal means. Rules applied to the letter to kick us out of the conference premier, when other teams in the same situation had a blind eye turned. The play off against Guisley, I saw both legs and took a friend with me who is a referee accessor and shareholder at Peterborough Utd. He used to rag me when I said we never had the rub of the green with referees. He changed his mind after seeing both legs. It just seems that we have these decisions when we seem to be challenging for promotion. Oh and when we got kicked out of this league it was even more a diabolical decision.
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Brilliant. So some people seriously believe that the FA, Conference committee members, Football League board and every single referee who at some point might take charge of one of our games have all gathered at some point in a smoke-filled old-boys club to discuss how to bring down Boston United? ;D
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Infamy! Infamy! They've all got it in for me*!!
*us (doesn't quite work though)
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Brilliant. So some people seriously believe that the FA, Conference committee members, Football League board and every single referee who at some point might take charge of one of our games have all gathered at some point in a smoke-filled old-boys club to discuss how to bring down Boston United? ;D
Sounds feasible to me hic !
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Other clubs have been victims of the Conference committee making diabolical decisions .
Kings Lynn ground got them religated , 90% of the grounds in CN are truly Micky Mouse standard when compared
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See you Saturday GHM in our usual meeting place, I will bring the pegs ;D
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After reading the Standard it would seem the ref was as normal full of his self importance as a lot of them are. No the game couldn't continue without them but i just wish they were consistent and of a better standard. ;)
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The refs are like the players, at this level for a reason......
Did you see the ref get conned in the Spurs game last night with the red card?
Happens at all levels....
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Sorry NF but you are totally wrong about the ref being conned last night. The DNI player clearly struck the Spurs players head, you could see his head jolt at the time of impact. The Spurs player DID react as though he had been hit with an iron bar and was over the top with it but DNI had been behaving and reacting to tackles in a similar way for the whole game so what you sow you shall reap.
I have said it before but just in case you missed it most refs are in urgent need of councilling because they think they know what they are doing, poor misguided ego tripping avoid shopping with the wife at all costs whistle blowing fools. Nothing personal you understand.
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The refs are like the players, at this level for a reason......
Did you see the ref get conned in the Spurs game last night with the red card?
Happens at all levels....
We know you do not like Spurs :D
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I see Yevil went one better than us last weekend and had three players sent off. Still managed a draw against Reading though !
DL