Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: aggy on October 21, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
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And sorry to say Adam that 12 points from 14 games shows that you are not capable of getting the right results.
No more excuses, YOUR project is dead in the water.
Please leave before OUR club is equally dead.
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About 23% win rate after 14 games , how many managers are still in a job with a record like that ?
At present rate a grand total of 36 points for season , certain relegation .
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Unfortunately I have to agree with the current majority view and I for one is extremely disappointed...Adam promised so much preseason and I,with many others,bought their season ticket and believed in him...He talked a good talk at The Fans Forum but sadly it hasn't worked out...Hes had a decent budget,hes brought in "his players" and we only have 3 victories and 1 clean sheet in 14 league games...Relegation form...Relegation would be a financial disaster for the club,but its now a real possibility...If The Chestnuts decide to stick with AM,then Adam has to seriously up his game...NOW
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Unfortunately I have to agree with the current majority view and I for one is extremely disappointed...Adam promised so much preseason and I,with many others,bought their season ticket and believed in him...He talked a good talk at The Fans Forum but sadly it hasn't worked out...Hes had a decent budget,hes brought in "his players" and we only have 3 victories and 1 clean sheet in 14 league games...Relegation form...Relegation would be a financial disaster for the club,but its now a real possibility...If The Chestnuts decide to stick with AM,then Adam has to seriously up his game...NOW
AM has had his chance and failed.
He has to go and the sooner the better. The attendances are going to drop off without a doubt because I can't see the results improving.
Are the players actually playing for the manager?
Boston Utd have been taken for a ride by ex-Mansfield personnel and thst has to stop now.
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My dear old Gran used to say what can’t speak can’t lie, and sadly that’s what our results are indicating to the chairman. I have not commented much on the threads regarding Adams future because I really wanted him to succeed and I think he will eventually, but sadly not at BUFC. This problem is for the Chairman and board to resolve only they know the cost implications, the problem is the cost implications could be far worse if nothing is done. If the decision is not made this week then the next two results will surely decide Adams future.
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Surely Adam's contract will be cancelled by 11am tomorrow? I hope he can work out a good severance with the business and that his c.v. has not been too badly damaged by his ineffective extended stay at the club.
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If the inevitable comes, who do we think will take up the reins long term.
Has the chairman got someone ready to step in, I know this is a long shot and probably I am deluded.
But what about Nicky Cowley, is he ready to make that step into solo management, with Jamie Maguire as his number two.
Just a thought.
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If the inevitable comes, who do we think will take up the reins long term.
Has the chairman got someone ready to step in, I know this is a long shot and probably I am deluded.
But what about Nicky Cowley, is he ready to make that step into solo management, with Jamie Maguire as his number two.
Just a thought.
I hope DN will try & get someone in who knows this league well (unlike AM) so they know exactly what's required for us to stay in it. Like us, Bradford PA were in the sh*t this time last year & Mark Bower went in there & gave them the proverbial shot in the arm & got them out the mire. It's got to be someone like him who can turn this mess around quick & get us winning again in this league. Also Bower kept them playing decent stuff & they are pushing the play offs now.
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It's very quiet at York Street today, expected some reaction.
But let's hope if Adam is to stay, that the chairman has not made a huge blunder.
We need some kind of statement from this board, I don't like this silence at all its unnerving.
If the board is going to back Adam they need to publicly let it be known and why.
And it has to be soon.
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Think hes gonna get more time!
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YC why is it quiet from York Street DN has a multi million pound company to run as well as being a chairman. Just watched Sky sports News and Stoke City haven't come out to support Mark Hughes if Everton hadn't got walloped Stoke would be below them. We need to get a perspective yes I agree it's not good and we should be higher etc etc but we have a manager whether he is good enough or not is giving 110 percent and cares. Last week we witnessed a corker of a match but lost so easily we could have won but that's football. So this week let's perhaps lose the AM kind of who should we have in debate and support Saturday to our best ability as it will be tough enough without that going on. Whichever way it goes let's all show respect to someone who is trying and a young manger that actually cares opposed to some that have turned up and really not tried to be different only one manager will be the champion the rest are ultimately failures.
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Agree
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I think they'll give him to the end of the month - see how we fair against Brackley and Salford. Lincs Cup Final could be the highlight of our season.
TEP
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YC why is it quiet from York Street DN has a multi million pound company to run as well as being a chairman. Just watched Sky sports News and Stoke City haven't come out to support Mark Hughes if Everton hadn't got walloped Stoke would be below them. We need to get a perspective yes I agree it's not good and we should be higher etc etc but we have a manager whether he is good enough or not is giving 110 percent and cares. Last week we witnessed a corker of a match but lost so easily we could have won but that's football. So this week let's perhaps lose the AM kind of who should we have in debate and support Saturday to our best ability as it will be tough enough without that going on. Whichever way it goes let's all show respect to someone who is trying and a young manger that actually cares opposed to some that have turned up and really not tried to be different only one manager will be the champion the rest are ultimately failures.
Not a good example , Hughes has a win rate of almost 40% , Adam has a win rate with his "own players " of 25%.
I think most will agree that Adam gives 110% and cares , but to back him the best you could do was to use an important game at home that we lost as an example of his achievements says it all. He has made promises that have not been fulfilled and his ideas and signing have failed to fulfil the expectations he predicted . Few like change of managers but many now despair that Adam has ran out of ideas and has failed to implement those he had .
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YC why is it quiet from York Street DN has a multi million pound company to run as well as being a chairman. Just watched Sky sports News and Stoke City haven't come out to support Mark Hughes if Everton hadn't got walloped Stoke would be below them. We need to get a perspective yes I agree it's not good and we should be higher etc etc but we have a manager whether he is good enough or not is giving 110 percent and cares. Last week we witnessed a corker of a match but lost so easily we could have won but that's football. So this week let's perhaps lose the AM kind of who should we have in debate and support Saturday to our best ability as it will be tough enough without that going on. Whichever way it goes let's all show respect to someone who is trying and a young manger that actually cares opposed to some that have turned up and really not tried to be different only one manager will be the champion the rest are ultimately failures.
Well let's hope that is the case, I would love to see him turn things around, and be successful, I no doubt he does give his all.
Yes let's get behind the team and him, but we need points not a football spectacular.
The Chorley loss was a massive cock up, they no all about there midfield hat trick man, they knew that if you give him space he can hit them, so what did they do, give him all the space in the world, I am no football manager, but don't you stick someone like him and harras him out of the game.
Sorry his tactics don't stack up for me.
Sorry but I don't have blind faith, I just love this club.
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The longer AM sticks around getting bad results will also damage his reputation (if he had one ) his managerial experience was in the football league and now he's struggling to cut it in the conference north , for his future he soon needs to hold his hands up and go
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YC- good players are good players for a reason. I am sure there have been a few team talks from top european clubs saying - right you 3 stick on messi....
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GHM disagree totally a good example surely playing against a team flying near the top unbeaten for a while. There best players were on loan one probably the best player I’ve seen this year and a keeper that made a worldie near the end. Great battle with good backing yes we lost but a poor example never. Losing without a shot on goal no passion that would be
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YC- good players are good players for a reason. I am sure there have been a few team talks from top european clubs saying - right you 3 stick on messi....
How many more Jam Jars would you need to fill before we can buy Messi?
Oh I can only dream.
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Depends on his tax allegations. Just using him as an example about the post about the hat trick hero!
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Having been here almost a year I find it hard to see how he's all of a sudden going to turn it around now. Some managers can get the best out of those they manage. I don't think AM does. If so many of the players come with bigged up reputations then why so many sub standard performances.
TEP
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GHM disagree totally a good example surely playing against a team flying near the top unbeaten for a while. There best players were on loan one probably the best player I’ve seen this year and a keeper that made a worldie near the end. Great battle with good backing yes we lost but a poor example never. Losing without a shot on goal no passion that would be
Fair enough FC , if a gallant defeat at home to a team only on the verge of the play-offs meets your expectations fine , but I don't think that will satisfy fans who considered reaching play-offs as not successful . Are you sure a manager with a 25% win rate and the demotion that goes with it is what the majority of the fans want ?
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Depends on his tax allegations. Just using him as an example about the post about the hat trick hero!
I know, my comment was a light humoured joke.
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Well, whatever your view is, the Chairman obviously is still backing Adam as there was no "Club Statement" made yesterday. Like him or lump him, Mr Murray appears to be entrenched at BUFC for the time being. Under the circumstances, we should continue to support the ever changing first XI which our management team deem appropriate to wear the BUFC shirt.
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Well, whatever your view is, the Chairman obviously is still backing Adam as there was no "Club Statement" made yesterday. Like him or lump him, Mr Murray appears to be entrenched at BUFC for the time being. Under the circumstances, we should continue to support the ever changing first XI which our management team deem appropriate to wear the BUFC shirt.
DN must think Murray can somehow start getting wins? What evidence he has seen to support that hope is invisible to most fans. I will continue to support the team at home. I'm not doing any more aways until the team start turning up for them too.
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Shrink the crowd then DN won't need such a big stadium!
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Champs - I'm with you on that one. Used to enjoy my away days - even though I knew we wouldn't have loads of success, we always had some hope. I've done two of the closer ones this year - Tamworth and Telford - both defeats and Telford was just abysmal. The likes of Leamington and Harrogate coming up I would normally be up for but not in the current climate.
TEP
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Shrink the crowd then DN won't need such a big stadium!
The new stadium will hold less people than York Street.
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Yes TEP I've always enjoyed the away games too, for many years now. Win, loose or draw we'd turn up & have a go. Always plenty of noise from our fans. This season it's been just woeful. I mean even last seasons criticised lot under Greene gave us entertaining games at Stockport, Salford, Alty, Nuneaton & Telford.
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Well, whatever your view is, the Chairman obviously is still backing Adam as there was no "Club Statement" made yesterday. Like him or lump him, Mr Murray appears to be entrenched at BUFC for the time being. Under the circumstances, we should continue to support the ever changing first XI which our management team deem appropriate to wear the BUFC shirt.
DN must think Murray can somehow start getting wins? What evidence he has seen to support that hope is invisible to most fans. I will continue to support the team at home. I'm not doing any more aways until the team start turning up for them too.
I said a few weeks ago DN would give AM plenty of time and I think he'll still be here for the foreseeable future. My guess is once we get cut adrift in the bottom three he'll act, unless AM jumps ship.
Very worrying.
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Well, whatever your view is, the Chairman obviously is still backing Adam as there was no "Club Statement" made yesterday. Like him or lump him, Mr Murray appears to be entrenched at BUFC for the time being. Under the circumstances, we should continue to support the ever changing first XI which our management team deem appropriate to wear the BUFC shirt.
DN must think Murray can somehow start getting wins? What evidence he has seen to support that hope is invisible to most fans. I will continue to support the team at home. I'm not doing any more aways until the team start turning up for them too.
I said a few weeks ago DN would give AM plenty of time and I think he'll still be here for the foreseeable future. My guess is once we get cut adrift in the bottom three he'll act, unless AM jumps ship.
Very worrying.
Like brexit a mutual agreement can take time to agree to , Tonights result elsewhere may speed up the process.
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Yes Gainsboro won
I would like to see Rubys tenure hinging on a positive result Saturday . . as fan resignation seems to be taking a longer term grip :-X
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The Chairman and Directors know the cost of change both in and out therefore I put my trust in them to do what is best for the club and hope they do not walk away from it all. I will be supporting them again on Saturday.
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If they walk away I strongly suggest Boston Borough Council hire a bulldozer and bill Chestnuts. Then head towards Wyberton and demolish the new houses!
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They won't walk away, too much at stake with the Quadrant developments, and that would be huge black mark against there name, and probably damage there business.
I suppose we can't imagine how frustrating it must be for them
They can only interview and hire a manager on face value, and previous experience and qualifications, Adam must have looked like a good replacement for DG, but let's face it he was a hard act to follow.
They must be as sick as we are how this season is going, and probably are thinking is it worth carrying on.
I don't know what the answer is or even if there is one, but some kind of improvement has got to happen before Christmas.
If this bunch can pull themselves out the crap, then going forward they could be a strong capable team, but I don't think Adam is the man to lead them.
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In the words of Sir Elton (or is that Bernie Taupin?) "It's a sad, sad situation and it's getting more and more absurd".
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Bernie. 8)
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So.....eight league games till the festive period, those games being Brackley, Salford, Leamington, Stockport, Harrogate, York, Southport & Alfreton. Just what is the total points expectation from all of these games if as predicted Murray will still be in charge through to Christmas ? Going on form alone I would say its going to be L,L,D,L,L,L,W,D which if correct would leave us in a right old mess and in serious threat of relegation. If our bad form continues I would say we need to cut our losses way before the festive period otherwise it could be a harder mountain to climb. Would love to be proved wrong over the next three to four games ! We have to believe something good will happen soon, but patience is wearing thin. A massive performance is needed this weekend.
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Extra training session tonight at York Street.
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I think you can only foist ' how many points from how many games ' once in a while .
Fans want a good manager with at least say a 40% win ratio .
A win in the next 2 games is what I would demand , why anything less at this time ? :o
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Now is the winter of our discontent! Shakespeare a pilgrim supporter?
To be or not to be, that is the question.
Could there be managerial fireworks before nov 5?
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Now is the winter of our discontent! Shakespeare a pilgrim supporter?
To be or not to be, that is the question.
Could there be managerial fireworks before nov 5?
If Leftbacks prediction is correct re next 8 results and AM is still is place I predict that the KH Army will release their gunpowder during what could be a humiliating Christmas football double for Pilgrim fans .
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Just read an article in the Boston Standard from Adam, apparently he still has the backing of the chairman and players.
DN still thinks things are ok, Adam doesn't think our position is not recoverable and he also thinks that a change of manager could be backwards move, well I suppose he say that.
He also blame's the players lack of confidence for the hoof ball game.
But never blame's himself, funny that !!
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Well last year he blamed the pitch and now we have a great pitch but I cannot remember at any time this side trying to get it down and play during his abysmal tenure.
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Well last year he blamed the pitch and now we have a great pitch but I cannot remember at any time this side trying to get it down and play during his abysmal tenure.
Great pitch , a great earner , can't put a figure on it at the moment how much it will earn Chorley in the cup .
Surely providing a footballing team a pitch like YS to play on is one of the biggest own goals ever that Adam will score .
Adams biggest sin is not putting a dross side on the field , but being in denial himself and expecting fans to do the same is his biggest error of judgement . In any business treating customers ( fans) as mugs creates bad will which is hard to recover .
I for one find it unforgivably patronising that he expects me to believe the contradictory rubbish he ask us to believe .
Is it me being harsh ?
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It's not harsh, its the truth.
But God I wish it wasn't.
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Well last year he blamed the pitch and now we have a great pitch but I cannot remember at any time this side trying to get it down and play during his abysmal tenure.
The big problem we have got is we are so predictable in our style of play. Brackley & Salford will know exactly what to expect from us. We have made it easy for the away sides to take advantage of our excellent playing surface. They play through us easily picking up so much possession from our long hopeful punts.
It makes you wonder what's being practiced in the training sessions? What it sounds like from recent post match interviews is that they work hard on short passing stuff; then come Saturday it all goes out the window & it gets the hoof?? Lack of Confidence has been touted about since the Southport defeat. Is it not more of a losing mentality due to inept long ball tactics? Surely confidence would come from keeping a bit of possession, through passing the ball to team mates & getting it back etc.
The other thing as the dismal run of results show the hoofball has achieved zilch; so how's confidence gonna return from hoofing it?
Change the record Adam for the team & the fans.
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In his Radio Lincs interview tonight he is now blaming the 3 hours 15 minutes they all meet for training each week, as it's taking longer for the players to gel. I thought they trained in the Midlands (Mansfield) to make it easier for travelling etc. So if they are training 2 or 3 times a week they aren't together for long if the total time is just 3 hours 15 minutes. How did it work when Dennis Greene was manager?
I don't think the players are playing for the manager, and think any other manager could get so much more out of them.
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Thought Dennis spoke very well, just a pity he lost it towards the end of his tenure at the club.
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Thought Dennis spoke very well, just a pity he lost it towards the end of his tenure at the club.
Dennis did speak very well, unlike Adam Murray in his interview, who gave the impression he hasn't a clue what he is doing.
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In his Radio Lincs interview tonight he is now blaming the 3 hours 15 minutes they all meet for training each week, as it's taking longer for the players to gel. I thought they trained in the Midlands (Mansfield) to make it easier for travelling etc. So if they are training 2 or 3 times a week they aren't together for long if the total time is just 3 hours 15 minutes. How did it work when Dennis Greene was manager?
I don't think the players are playing for the manager, and think any other manager could get so much more out of them.
Very sad , came into the job giving himself a big build up which didn't stand up to scrutiny , promised big changes which the chairman backed with cash . AM outlined his radical plans only for us all to see them fail abysmally contrary to what he tells us . Never shy of apportioning blame I think Adams legacy will be, " Not my fault Guv ".
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We will win tomorrow and all will be rosy 😁
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We will win tomorrow and all will be rosy 😁
more likely we lose tomorrow and the fans unrest and negativity will increase again, but the manager will have another list of ready made excuses, and still have his job, whilst the table will show us floundering ever more towards Ferriby and the trap door towards the Stickystuff League. The only thing "rosy" will be Adam Chapman's face as he berates the other subs for not warming up in the right manner.
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Beginning to have a bit of de ja vu back to when fatty surrounded himself with his mates
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Lose tomorrow and Murray can expect a hostile crowd. He signed the players (apart from 1 or 2), it's his tactics. Good pitch. He is responsible and had to accept the consequences. No doubt he will disappear into the dugout.
But he won't be looking forward to Tuesdays match - its enough to drive you to drink............... :o
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Thank you for stepping aside Adam. I am sure this is the best outcome for the club and yourself.
Your tenacity deserves respect as does your decision to call it a day.
Best wishes for your future in the game.
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Thank you for stepping aside Adam. I am sure this is the best outcome for the club and yourself.
Your tenacity deserves respect as does your decision to call it a day.
Best wishes for your future in the game.
Certainly appeared to have the work ethic which kills no one according to the oldies , but the stress that goes with a job is liable to ruin ones health . Adam made the right decision in time . Hope he quickly gets a job in football , but not management .