Pilgrims' Patter
The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Chelsea on July 16, 2009, 09:48:58 AM
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Can we afford to stick with Butcher
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No too many mistakes, thats what cost us last year!! kicking was poor, only young so can improve if he works hard in training!!
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I think he wasnt to bad last year, yes he made a few mistakes and is kicking aint that good but i think for shot stopping and reflex saves i think in this league there aint to many better
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depends what the management teams goals are. stay in this league then he is good enough. to win it, then im afraid not.
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depends what the management teams goals are. stay in this league then he is good enough. to win it, then im afraid not.
He saved us more times in games than he cost us, and that is all a keeper can do. Give the kid a chance, one bad mistake in a friendly and he has gone from a dead cert to the reason we won't win the league.
Get the mistakes over now and let him show his stuff in the competitive games.
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i stand by it lord. butcher only average for this division.
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Cant believe what Im reading here???? End of last season everyone was screaming to keep hold of Butcher, now, after one pre-season friendly he aint good enough!!!!!!! Butcher is the best keeper that we have had for a while!!!!
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basically he is a goalkeeper and all goalkeepers good and bad make mistakes during games.he is still young and will get better but he must work on his kicking thats for sure.
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I Don't feel as if we should get rid of the kid, he is a great prospect for the future but i think he needs an experienced goalkeeper to help him.
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All keepers make glaring mistakes, you only have to watch any of the "Sports Bloopers" programmes that appear on TV now and again, give the lad a chance, he looked good to me last season.
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dont get rid off him hes a top keeper, kicking has never been his thing but 1 mistake in a friendly should not meen anything
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Ok. Too keep the peace he can stay. There again im not in charge and they may have other plans. Watch this space.
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I am sure most of us can recall our favorite goalie Bazza making big bloomers even when he had many more years experience than Butcher.
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Good job your not in charge I say! Think you would need a crash course in motivation tactics! Pathetic.
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Busy grafting so haven't been on a good few days, and I cant believe I am reading this.
Every supporter at the end of last year, was united in the fact that given an ideal world we all wanted four players to stay, Milly, Miller, Ellie and Butcher, and after one sliced kick,we are now questioning the attributes of who I feel is our obvious custodian
Jesus, this is fickelty gone mad. Apart from one game last year (Ashton away I think) when Butcher dropped a couple of real clangers, he was brilliant, truly exceptional, and now people are queueing up to have a dig at the boy, ffs why?
If you are going to cock up, then surely the time to do it is in such matches. If anyone ever wanted to crucify the boys confidence,and heap a whole dollop of un-needed pressure on him, then keep coming up with drivel like this
Forget this prospect nonsense, he should be our number one, based solely on his performances last year regardless of his tender age, and of all the players I know, (and many new ones I dont) Butcher is one that mark my words we will struggle to keep hold of
I know we had the right to slag off many who wore the shirt last year, but Butcher, even allowing for the fact that his kicking is not good, that point is unarguable, is not one of them. Were it not for him and a few others we wouldn't even be in this division
So very, very unfair
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To be honest Rich 77 its a good job none of US is in charge other wise we should probably be bust and bottom of the league by chistmas. We are just amateurs trying to tell the pro,s what to do.
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To be fair, that could happen no matter who is in charge! lol! No tellings, however slightly more likely under the guidance or should I say mis-guidance of 'it's all the gingers fault'!!!
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Cant believe what Im reading here???? End of last season everyone was screaming to keep hold of Butcher, now, after one pre-season friendly he aint good enough!!!!!!! Butcher is the best keeper that we have had for a while!!!!
it wasnt just butch who folk wanted to stay,there was several,at least half of the squad but the worm has turned on them soon enough...fickle comes to mind
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I don't think there have been many who have criticised Butch on here,and those that have should know better.The lad has tons of potential and was one of a very few bright spots last season.I do think though that we need another keeper as well as Butch.We know how physical this league is,and for an 18 year old that's a tough ask.Add to that loss of form,injuries etc..........It's more a question of whether we can afford to pay to have another goalkeeper or whether we loan one in when needed.
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Managers say they definitely want another keeper, every squad/team has atleast two keepers, so why the discussion on needing another keeper ???
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Rich77. Just to clarify the basis of my opinions. i have a sports science degree. Shit load of coaching badges. Have worked with our league 2 side. And managed teams over the last 15 yrs. My disertation focused on bridging the gap between pro and semi pro football. And focused on the ,motivational factors that separated the 2 groups. Think that over qualifies me to have my opinion on butcher. Good no doubting that. But unlikey to play higher than we are now. Fact. And in support the o/s state the management team are looking for a new goalie. I rest my case.
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Obviously, I've never seen Butcher, but since when do goalkeepers peak at age 18? I thought nowadays many of them were peaking at like 32.
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I dont think any of us have really seen enough of him to make a real judgement, he hasnt even played that many games for us.
But from what ive seen of him he looks very promising, he will get better with time and experience.
Patience.
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gosh 1 mistake last week vs lincoln and everyone is jumping to conclusions
i agree with H&S we do need another keeper so they can push each other on so neither ever feel too confident their number 1 choice and wont be taken away from them ,its just healthy competition
was'nt long ago people were prasing aaron loads on here on contributing massively to our revival towards end of the season
now 1 mistake in a friendly and it seems its all forgotten
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I take it you failed your motivation module then? Or if not then you should no better to slate someone publicly after ONE pre-season FRIENDLY, and ONE mistake. I too have a sports science degree but I wouldnt say that qualifies me to make ridiculous statements. No doubt we need another keeper, but thats common sense surely, not because Butcher is rubbish. He was the one positive to really come out of last season. Also, even the most qualified of proffessionals can make mistakes.
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Rich77. Just to clarify the basis of my opinions. i have a sports science degree. Shit load of coaching badges. Have worked with our league 2 side. And managed teams over the last 15 yrs. My disertation focused on bridging the gap between pro and semi pro football. And focused on the ,motivational factors that separated the 2 groups. Think that over qualifies me to have my opinion on butcher. Good no doubting that. But unlikey to play higher than we are now. Fact. And in support the o/s state the management team are looking for a new goalie. I rest my case.
If you are that qualified surely you would know that keepers are a differant breed. They don't get regular places in teams til their mid 20's and the old pros take up all the spots in League 1&2 due to going on way beyond the outfield players in a position only one player can fill.
How many of the current League 2 teams and probably Conference have Keepers under the age of 30. I know we didn't have any in the league and saw quite a few aging names on our travels. The young players have to play somewhere and come from somewhere when they move up. I'd suggest the trend fits outfield players and the bridge to Semi-pro is a one way draw bridge, but for keepers I'm not so sure.
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Ginger dodges the handbag :-)! And swings one back! A a first in bsc degree means you failed nothing. Did i say he was rubbish? No. Lets just wait and see. Time will tell what the management decide over butch and time will tell if he plugs the gaps in a his game which only a quality goalie coach can possibly attempt to resolve and boston are all out of those. Next subject.
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If you are that qualified surely you would know that keepers are a differant breed. They don't get regular places in teams til their mid 20's and the old pros take up all the spots in League 1&2 due to going on way beyond the outfield players in a position only one player can fill.
How many of the current League 2 teams and probably Conference have Keepers under the age of 30. I know we didn't in the league and saw quite a few aging names on our travels. The young players have to play somewhere and come from somewhere when they move up. I'd suggest the trend fits outfield players and the bridge to Semi-pro is a one way draw bridge, but for keepers I'm not so sure....just ask Joe Hart!
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Oh, you didn't fail your motivation module? I guess you have no excuse for your stupidity then? If you are a coach or have been, you really should know better. Maybe it's just more on a personal level that you feel the need to publicly slate a young lad that saved us on more than one occasion last year? Im just glad that nobody else has jumped on your band wagon. There really is no justification to your argument, thats all Im saying. The lad is young, and so needs to improve on his kicking....well guess he has plenty of years to do that, and hopefully will improve on it, whether it be with Boston or when he furthers his career, which Im sure he will. I guess your a stick man as opposed to a carrot man, that way never really motivated me to do anythhing, but worked for Evans, so maybe each to there own.
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just ask Joe Hart!
And without digging too deep into my football knowledge (I don't have a BSc unfortunately) just recently I've read of Tyrone Kirk, that Kyle guy from FCUM and Pringle from Ilkeston all climbing back up the tree. I'm not so sure it is unheard of to drop in and out of the Pro game.
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You would think if he is that good as a coach he would be far too busy to be posting on here.
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Rich77. Just to clarify the basis of my opinions. i have a sports science degree. Shit load of coaching badges. Have worked with our league 2 side. And managed teams over the last 15 yrs. My disertation focused on bridging the gap between pro and semi pro football. And focused on the ,motivational factors that separated the 2 groups. Think that over qualifies me to have my opinion on butcher. Good no doubting that. But unlikey to play higher than we are now. Fact. And in support the o/s state the management team are looking for a new goalie. I rest my case.
Are you seriously suggesting that because you have a 'shit load of coaching badges' your opinion is somehow more valid than anyone else's? :D
You're entitled to your opinion, of course. That's what message boards are for. But don't try and claim that you are right just because you've done a dissertation.
And don't spin the managers' words. They said on the o/s that they're looking for a new goalie as competition for Butcher, giving us two keepers, which surely most clubs would have? At least that's my opinion but then, I don't have a sports science degree. ;)
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Players can improve tons anyway, look at Diego Forlan!
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Players can improve tons anyway, look at Diego Forlan!
In his case he was never a bad player, just badly played. Fergie is a fantastic manager, probably the best the world has seen but he still makes bum decisions, lots of them. He plays a certain way and some players just will not fit in, Forlan being one.
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You see that is Fergies downfall, he never did a sports science degree, where he could of put in to practise pure maths, bio-mechanics, anatomy and kinesiology, pharmaceuticals and obviously the all important magnus force theory!!!! I hope he doesnt read this thread or he will be slapping that Scottish forehead of his and thinking "thats where it all went wrong!, how could I of not done a sports science degree!" and then go and tell Rooney he is a piece of sh*t beause he missed an open goal in a friendly of course. I dont know how Fergie ever made it so far.? ;D ;D
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Something we agree on rich. Yid army!
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Dont tell me I met you at a funeral! lol
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Back on subject personally think Aaron is a quality keeper who was outstanding towards the end of last season and has the potential to go higher. I know that there where a lot of clubs chasing his signature higher up the ladder so we are lucky to have him, but that won't stop people critisizing on here. ::)
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A sad day. Your degree serves you well rich. Lol. Went to boro last night. Very one sided.
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Indeed, some good goals from us though! So why you bein such a d*ck to Butcher then pmsl!
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its all the gingers fault....
what an absolute arsehole..
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Harsh.....but on this occasion fair! However a thourghly decent chap when I met him.....come on Ginge....sort yourself out son!
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Cant pm at mo. Only on my phone. Will do when online at home again. Hope butcher proves me wrong. With some decent defenders in front he wont concede too many.
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I think Chelsea, who started this thread, has got off lightly! Can we start a witch hunt on him now????????? ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Oh, you didn't fail your motivation module? I guess you have no excuse for your stupidity then? If you are a coach or have been, you really should know better. Maybe it's just more on a personal level that you feel the need to publicly slate a young lad that saved us on more than one occasion last year? Im just glad that nobody else has jumped on your band wagon. There really is no justification to your argument, thats all Im saying. The lad is young, and so needs to improve on his kicking....well guess he has plenty of years to do that, and hopefully will improve on it, whether it be with Boston or when he furthers his career, which Im sure he will. I guess your a stick man as opposed to a carrot man, that way never really motivated me to do anythhing, but worked for Evans, so maybe each to there own.
If only more Boston fans put more energy into supporting their team rather than slating other fans for having an opinion, the players themselves might feel a tad more confidence that the fans believe in them.
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Last season BSP champions Burton had Kevin Poole as 1st choice keeper , he is at least 43 years old and may feature in league 2 this season.
I suggest even Sven,s C V fails to match up to Gingers and S&H should be looking over their shoulders.
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Forum = discussion = opinion. Pointless having a forum if an 'opinion' is attacked for saying a certain players was average. Rant over.
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32yr old Tom Evans signed today.....
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Evening all. Some interesting opinions on here again lol... I'm pleased to see that Tom Evans has signed; interesting seeing that he has a high past calibre and that can only help Butcher to develop further; another good signing keep it up fellas! I thought Butcher played well when I saw him last season; okay a few little hiccups but he's young and can continue to build on that. Must agree with GHM here; it is a Forum and people must be able to voice their own opinions; okay some may or not agree with it. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing some more signings from our duo! Up the Pilgrims!
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Just the sort of keeper (TE ) req'd .. me thinks
Hope he does well ..and can pass on his experience..
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Cracking signing, did alright tonight
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32yr old Tom Evans signed today.....
I remember him being a great keeper from our Football League days, a great signing. I don't think he will be on the bench all season. Still, a great player for Aaron to learn from, and competition will be provided now. Still, for his age, Aaron is a tremendous keeper and will surely go onto a higher level one day.
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Rich77. Just to clarify the basis of my opinions. i have a sports science degree. Shit load of coaching badges. Have worked with our league 2 side. And managed teams over the last 15 yrs. My disertation focused on bridging the gap between pro and semi pro football. And focused on the ,motivational factors that separated the 2 groups. Think that over qualifies me to have my opinion on butcher. Good no doubting that. But unlikey to play higher than we are now. Fact. And in support the o/s state the management team are looking for a new goalie. I rest my case.
For someone obviously educated to high 'degree' (excuse the pun) you come across on this one certainly as more than a tad pompous
How can you say unlikely to play at a higher standard then on the patronosing boast that because you are over qualified to have an opinion you then re-state that this opinion is fact!!!
You could turn out to be spot on in your assesement, but that doesn;t make it fact, it makes it no more than an opinion, however much you may, with your arrogance believe otherwise
I cant speak for others, but I dont think you're opinion is worth any more than anyone elses, and most certainly not worth any more than mine
I think Butcher is going to be class, and very likely to move upwards and onwards, and I base that opinion purely on the premise, that my brothers girlfriends next door neigbour once knew someone that had a cleaning job at Eton and who once knobbed the Dean, who inadvertently donated sperm on a regular basis which carrying a genius bloodline
My opinion is fact...what a pratt
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When everyone has finished tearing a shred off each other, I will go back to topic. I think Evans is a great signing, the management are really building a willing squad.
I am now away on holiday, ( sat on the ferry heading to frogland) but I will now definately be going to watch us at fc thingy, my excitement for the season ahead is like it's not been for a few years
dave parnell
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Well well well - for a topic about goalies Rich and Ginger you certainly know how to hijack it with your lovers tiffs. Put your handbags away and let the rest of us talk about football - afterall this is a football forum unless I'm mistaken.
Great to see an experienced goalie signed, having competition within a squad if definately healthy and might even up the standards of play. Very happy with the managers so far with who they've signed. Looking forward to seeing who else will be joining the mighty Pilgrims.
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All coming together very nicely, just need a couple of midfielders and another striker and we are pretty much ready for whatever the Unidump can throw at us.
Off-topic slightly but the OS is remaining tight-lipped about chasing money from the Conference seeing as it was splashed across the back page of the NLP this week.
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No issues between me and rich. More than happy to buy a beer and laugh at the gooners with a fellow yid and pilgrim follower. End of matter.