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The Forum => The B-Ark => Topic started by: Ed Kandi on September 06, 2016, 08:24:23 PM

Title: v BPA
Post by: Ed Kandi on September 06, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
Any news yet?
No commentary from Endeavour tonight  :(
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Winging It on September 06, 2016, 09:30:14 PM
Got Endeavour fine here, just gone 1 up with Smith.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Shrimperpilgrim on September 06, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
OK a much needed win against a terrible Bradford side although we needed the win so bad it only papers over the complete lack of ideas and how poor generally the current side is.
Bradford set there stall out after about half an hour to defend at all costs apart from Smithys 5 or 6 half chances (one of which he took and fully deserved his goal for his all round workmanlike body on the line performance) the game was dour with many many misplaced passes and a formation that was hard to work out with us having 2 at the back at times in the 2nd half.
I like the idea that Dennis is starting to look at other options but Marshall and StJuse at full backs? I'm sure they both never thought they would be playing there when they signed.
Many more changes required if we are to sit safely in midtable come may.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Johnny Pilgrim on September 06, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
OK a much needed win against a terrible Bradford side although we needed the win so bad it only papers over the complete lack of ideas and how poor generally the current side is.
Bradford set there stall out after about half an hour to defend at all costs apart from Smithys 5 or 6 half chances (one of which he took and fully deserved his goal for his all round workmanlike body on the line performance) the game was dour with many many misplaced passes and a formation that was hard to work out with us having 2 at the back at times in the 2nd half.
I like the idea that Dennis is starting to look at other options but Marshall and StJuse at full backs? I'm sure they both never thought they would be playing there when they signed.
Many more changes required if we are to sit safely in midtable come may.


St.Juste plays fullback for his country,St.Kitts,so nothing new for him there.
Both full backs IMO played really well
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 06, 2016, 10:32:18 PM
Marshall and StJuse at full backs?

BPA were never going to come here and play with 2 wingers, and force our full backs towards their own goal - playing 2 extra wingers was there to give us (hopefully) more attacking impetus. St Juste has played full back many a time, so it's nothing new for him.

Marshall played well I thought, especially in the 2nd half as more of a wing back.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: howmanynames2pick on September 06, 2016, 10:37:55 PM
Lol

Two teams very afraid to lose.
It was much like the England game. One team attacking and one team defending.
A very makeshift team did well. Half time subs did well
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Lee Newell on September 06, 2016, 10:43:00 PM
Good result, much needed 3 points. Things would have looked really bad had we lost. Hopefully we can build on this.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: kingofnaves on September 06, 2016, 10:47:00 PM
Good 3 points.Need at least 4 from our next 2 games.I thought BPA were crap ?
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on September 07, 2016, 08:29:39 AM
Much needed win but as Shrimper says, it does paper over the cracks. Defence is really poor - lost count of the amount of misplaced passes when coming out from the back - and they just looked generally fragile.

Need to make sure we don't capitulate as usual when away from home on Saturday.

TEP
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 07, 2016, 10:14:02 AM
lost count of the amount of misplaced passes when coming out from the back - and they just looked generally fragile.

They were almost trying too hard to play football. Trying to pass a ball through an opponent, rather than playing the easy ball. Stop playing Beckham/Scoles-type passes when you're not those players.

Agnew and McMillan were both seemingly always available to receive the ball - often in space. We need to use the midfield, or hit the odd long ball up to Smith. He loves a challenge, feed him!
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Burgh Boy on September 07, 2016, 03:37:18 PM
Great result which will now kick start our season. Well done DG and the team. Roll on Saturday for another 3 points!
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Winging It on September 07, 2016, 03:58:13 PM
Great result which will now kick start our season. Well done DG and the team. Roll on Saturday for another 3 points!

Lets hope so Burgh Boy.  Although i still fear we don't have enough firepower and goals in us at the current moment in time. But with a manager willing to make sweeping changes where needed, i feel we can now finally make our way up the league. I don't think it was a case of poor signings over the close season, i think its more that signings have not lived up to their potentials.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on September 07, 2016, 04:30:02 PM
Have to disagree with you in respect of the signings LeftBack. I can't recall that many have come in with big reputations / history of delivering at this level or any level. We've signed a lot that have played in the Conference North previously - but they haven't exactly set the league alight whilst doing so. I'm not a big fan of taking players from within the same league - many just prove to be cast-offs. The following have all played at this level previously:

Dibble (Nuneaton)
St Juste (BPA, Fylde)
Colley (BPA, Stockport)
Emery (Gainsborough)
Maguire (Nuneaton)
Chippendale (BPA)
Pepe NGome (Corby)
Thomas (Corby)

I may be wrong but if you look at their history then I would say there is little potential amongst this bunch. They've probably performed exactly how you might expect. Personally, I'd much rather see some players coming in that have either dropped down a level (Southwell type) or have been really good at the level below and have the potential to step up (maybe Smith?). Interestingly, Smith has probably been our most effective player this season, yet DG has never opted for a target man in previous campaigns. Maybe a sign that he knows we are lacking quality in many areas of the pitch.

TEP
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: mike brolly boots on September 07, 2016, 04:35:55 PM
Get Fairhurst back and he will start knocking the goals in , looking forward to seeing Smith and Fairhurst up front
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: green hats mate on September 07, 2016, 04:58:10 PM
OK a much needed win against a terrible Bradford side although we needed the win so bad it only papers over the complete lack of ideas and how poor generally the current side is.
Bradford set there stall out after about half an hour to defend at all costs apart from Smithys 5 or 6 half chances (one of which he took and fully deserved his goal for his all round workmanlike body on the line performance) the game was dour with many many misplaced passes and a formation that was hard to work out with us having 2 at the back at times in the 2nd half.
I like the idea that Dennis is starting to look at other options but Marshall and StJuse at full backs? I'm sure they both never thought they would be playing there when they signed.
Many more changes required if we are to sit safely in midtable come may.

I,m hopeful we will exceed your expectations again this  year shrimper ,  seeing Greene,s line-up last night I have to admit I thought he was bonkers , but again another tactical master stroke from him .   Most fans understood the formation idea from where I sat., And with the average age of the team being only 22 I thought they deserved credit for the way they adapted to a new system .  Many fans found it an entertaining game .

Papering over the cracks is is mainly due to still having key players out .  We were still minus 4/5 key players including Nat Brown who you know is king pin in defence .  And hopefully the goalkeeping position is now sorted .
Add to the goalie,  Brown , Fairhurst , Thomas , Smith , Rollins , Roberts and Agnew we have the backbone of a sound team .    Still early days and not unusual for young new signings to improve rapidly under Greene (remember Kaine Felix ?)
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: green hats mate on September 07, 2016, 05:29:26 PM
Have to disagree with you in respect of the signings LeftBack. I can't recall that many have come in with big reputations / history of delivering at this level or any level. We've signed a lot that have played in the Conference North previously - but they haven't exactly set the league alight whilst doing so. I'm not a big fan of taking players from within the same league - many just prove to be cast-offs. The following have all played at this level previously:

Dibble (Nuneaton)
St Juste (BPA, Fylde)
Colley (BPA, Stockport)
Emery (Gainsborough)
Maguire (Nuneaton)
Chippendale (BPA)
Pepe NGome (Corby)
Thomas (Corby)

I may be wrong but if you look at their history then I would say there is little potential amongst this bunch. They've probably performed exactly how you might expect. Personally, I'd much rather see some players coming in that have either dropped down a level (Southwell type) or have been really good at the level below and have the potential to step up (maybe Smith?). Interestingly, Smith has probably been our most effective player this season, yet DG has never opted for a target man in previous campaigns. Maybe a sign that he knows we are lacking quality in many areas of the pitch.

TEP

Of the above Dibble has gone and I think Emery is a coach /standby keeper .  hopefully Nagoma will settle in to be a good signing .
Thomas was part of a very leaky Corby defence last season ,  when Pidge came he had been a part of an even leakier Corby defence,  so hope there .
The last two seasons we have had Pidge , Mills and Roberts who have been top performers all signed from Con N clubs .

Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 08, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
Get Fairhurst back and he will start knocking the goals in , looking forward to seeing Smith and Fairhurst up front

Fairhurst due back in training tonight - maybe a spot on the bench Saturday.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Winging It on September 08, 2016, 01:14:01 PM
Have to disagree with you in respect of the signings LeftBack. I can't recall that many have come in with big reputations / history of delivering at this level or any level. We've signed a lot that have played in the Conference North previously - but they haven't exactly set the league alight whilst doing so. I'm not a big fan of taking players from within the same league - many just prove to be cast-offs. The following have all played at this level previously:

Dibble (Nuneaton)
St Juste (BPA, Fylde)
Colley (BPA, Stockport)
Emery (Gainsborough)
Maguire (Nuneaton)
Chippendale (BPA)
Pepe NGome (Corby)
Thomas (Corby)

I may be wrong but if you look at their history then I would say there is little potential amongst this bunch. They've probably performed exactly how you might expect. Personally, I'd much rather see some players coming in that have either dropped down a level (Southwell type) or have been really good at the level below and have the potential to step up (maybe Smith?). Interestingly, Smith has probably been our most effective player this season, yet DG has never opted for a target man in previous campaigns. Maybe a sign that he knows we are lacking quality in many areas of the pitch.

TEP

Of that list, one stands out a lot, and that person is St Juste. Over the last few seasons, most of our fans were calling for him to be signed, as he was hyped by these fans as one of the best players at this level.  I wonder if Den signed him because our fanbase rated him so much in the past ?
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 08, 2016, 01:57:05 PM
Dennis has been trying to sign St Juste for the past 2 summers berfore this one, but as St Juste was unable to commit to the traveling until now.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Winging It on September 08, 2016, 02:14:32 PM
Dennis has been trying to sign St Juste for the past 2 summers berfore this one, but as St Juste was unable to commit to the traveling until now.

What's your thought's on him so far, from what you have seen ?
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Pilgrim86 on September 08, 2016, 08:05:49 PM
Dennis has been trying to sign St Juste for the past 2 summers berfore this one, but as St Juste was unable to commit to the traveling until now.

What's your thought's on him so far, from what you have seen ?

I think he's been good, but sometimes goes missing and then gets taken off. I still think we should be rotating Marshall, Rollins and St Juste - once Rollins can revert to the wings.
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: The Infamous Stevie on September 08, 2016, 08:08:41 PM
Too critical!!! Miracles don't happen over night. And from the Chorley game that was a huge improvement!!
Title: Re: v BPA
Post by: Tipps End Pilgrim on September 08, 2016, 08:26:41 PM
Stevie - I don't think we've been that bad in any of the home games - it's just on the road where we have been woeful.

TEP